intertonic
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i LOVE BOTH OF MY CHILDREN EQUALLY
Hi intertonic here, I’ve just joined and WLTM stimulating intermittent discussion that is uncompromising and forceful, but civil. I want to give the whole world a hug and am looking forward to the future. xxx
Here goes. I think both Macca and Collins are great. I own almost all that they have recorded solo and much of what they recorded in groups. There need not be mud slinging between the two, they have performed together and I am sure that they have a mutual respect for each others songwriting craft; after all they did record together on Paul McCartney/Press to Play (1986). (He also drummed on George Harrisons All things Must PAss Sessions). Furthermore, they are both accomplished multi-instrumentalists, although I will concede that Maccas all rounding skills are superior. They have both done collaborations with, supported and employed black musicians, which in a white executive-down industry contributes small but practical and real change for black musicians signed and unsigned. I think it is far more important to note this over the regrettable rhetoric uttered by Mssr Collins. FYI Collins is a major donor and patron of the very worthy NGO Medical Foundation For the Victims of Torture http://www.torturecare.org.uk
Remember human beings are full of contradictions and are multifaceted.
On the issue of ownership over the gate/snares/no cymbals sound, my recollection is that this was devised in tandem when Collins was drafted in on Peter Gabriel/Peter Gabriel 3 (1980) to work pro bono on the album while Gabriel was in financial straits having ploughed much of his wealth into the then ill-fated WOMAD project. I think that if you listen to Collins and Gabriel before and after you can see that this sound would most probably have organically grown from their familiarity with each others styles and music, and persistent use and experimentation with drum and more generally studio sounds.
On Prince, I think I would be write in saying that Sign of the Times was the last record breaking multi-million selling album at what was then an unusually high retail price. The fact that it is in the top ten of top selling double albums and I think only one of two by a solo artist (all written, performed recorded by the purple one man himself) is phenomenal, I also believe it is brilliant track for track. With all respect I do wonder whether some of those commenting have heard it in its entirety or rely on friends cherry picking tracks on a late night in.
To avoid replication here are some of my not-so-obvious favorites:
Macca: Big Barn Bed, Magneto and Titanium Man, Put it There, This One, My Love, Arrow through me, We all stand together, Temporary Secretary, Let Me Roll It, My Brave Face, Waterfalls, Girlfriend, Wanderlust, Silly love Songs (new version off GMRB), Rock Show, Helen Wheels, The Man
Prince: Scandalous, Nothing Compares to You, Pop Life; Never take the place of your Man; I Wanna be your Lover, Uptown, Dolphin, Darling Nikki, Dance On, Mountains, Endorphinmachine, Let's Pretend We're Married, The Beautiful Ones, Strollin
Phil Collins:
Vocals: Like China, Don’t let him steal Your Heart Away, You'll Be In My Heart, Don’t you lose my number, Doesn't Anybody Stay Together Anymore, Find A Way To My Heart, Doesn’t Matter to Me, Hand in Hand, Droned, And he totally Collins’s the Beatle’s Tomorrow Never Knows!
Drums: Woman in Chains (Tears for Fears), Feed the World (Band Aid), Bad Love (Eric Clapton), Burn Down the Mission (Elton John-Two Rooms), Easy Lover (Philip Bailey), and Brand X. If interested in as-live low studio tinkered production drumming I would suggest listening to the three consecutive post Gabriel albums - Trick of a Tail, Wind and Wuthering, and Then there Were Three. and any Brand X.
Be well.
intertoni
Hi intertonic here, I’ve just joined and WLTM stimulating intermittent discussion that is uncompromising and forceful, but civil. I want to give the whole world a hug and am looking forward to the future. xxx
Here goes. I think both Macca and Collins are great. I own almost all that they have recorded solo and much of what they recorded in groups. There need not be mud slinging between the two, they have performed together and I am sure that they have a mutual respect for each others songwriting craft; after all they did record together on Paul McCartney/Press to Play (1986). (He also drummed on George Harrisons All things Must PAss Sessions). Furthermore, they are both accomplished multi-instrumentalists, although I will concede that Maccas all rounding skills are superior. They have both done collaborations with, supported and employed black musicians, which in a white executive-down industry contributes small but practical and real change for black musicians signed and unsigned. I think it is far more important to note this over the regrettable rhetoric uttered by Mssr Collins. FYI Collins is a major donor and patron of the very worthy NGO Medical Foundation For the Victims of Torture http://www.torturecare.org.uk
Remember human beings are full of contradictions and are multifaceted.
On the issue of ownership over the gate/snares/no cymbals sound, my recollection is that this was devised in tandem when Collins was drafted in on Peter Gabriel/Peter Gabriel 3 (1980) to work pro bono on the album while Gabriel was in financial straits having ploughed much of his wealth into the then ill-fated WOMAD project. I think that if you listen to Collins and Gabriel before and after you can see that this sound would most probably have organically grown from their familiarity with each others styles and music, and persistent use and experimentation with drum and more generally studio sounds.
On Prince, I think I would be write in saying that Sign of the Times was the last record breaking multi-million selling album at what was then an unusually high retail price. The fact that it is in the top ten of top selling double albums and I think only one of two by a solo artist (all written, performed recorded by the purple one man himself) is phenomenal, I also believe it is brilliant track for track. With all respect I do wonder whether some of those commenting have heard it in its entirety or rely on friends cherry picking tracks on a late night in.
To avoid replication here are some of my not-so-obvious favorites:
Macca: Big Barn Bed, Magneto and Titanium Man, Put it There, This One, My Love, Arrow through me, We all stand together, Temporary Secretary, Let Me Roll It, My Brave Face, Waterfalls, Girlfriend, Wanderlust, Silly love Songs (new version off GMRB), Rock Show, Helen Wheels, The Man
Prince: Scandalous, Nothing Compares to You, Pop Life; Never take the place of your Man; I Wanna be your Lover, Uptown, Dolphin, Darling Nikki, Dance On, Mountains, Endorphinmachine, Let's Pretend We're Married, The Beautiful Ones, Strollin
Phil Collins:
Vocals: Like China, Don’t let him steal Your Heart Away, You'll Be In My Heart, Don’t you lose my number, Doesn't Anybody Stay Together Anymore, Find A Way To My Heart, Doesn’t Matter to Me, Hand in Hand, Droned, And he totally Collins’s the Beatle’s Tomorrow Never Knows!
Drums: Woman in Chains (Tears for Fears), Feed the World (Band Aid), Bad Love (Eric Clapton), Burn Down the Mission (Elton John-Two Rooms), Easy Lover (Philip Bailey), and Brand X. If interested in as-live low studio tinkered production drumming I would suggest listening to the three consecutive post Gabriel albums - Trick of a Tail, Wind and Wuthering, and Then there Were Three. and any Brand X.
Be well.
intertoni
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