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on the subject of massive attack is spaceape daddy gee from the afore mentioned and kode9 babylon fame ???
ukbass said:Sometime I have no idea what people are referring to when they say dubstep. Do you really think that making dubstep that sounds like distorted drum'n'bass was a particularly cool expansion of the sonic palate? Big deal? At the same time your exclaiming that 'request line' has a melody. Have you actually heard any dubstep? There is loads of stuff with melodies if you listen to some rinse sets that are around just now. I feel you're just showing your ignorance of the music by making some easy assertions, exactly the kind of assertions all previous dubstep haters are making now that it is suddenly cool to like the music. What exactly have you heard?
HELL_SD said:on the subject of massive attack is spaceape daddy gee from the afore mentioned and kode9 babylon fame ???
Ah, must pay more attention then...mms said:this is partly what various productions do and why they may get massive..
lol, good point.autonomicforthepeople said:if a lot of the more unpleasant dnb heads (trying not to generalise here) get into it i guess there's still a simple way to turn them off: head back towards those aspects of 2step that they've hated for so long.
2stepfan said:I never thought I'd start questioning the halfstep blue print so fast.
Oh, I still love it. And I still love wobbler bass. And indeed, I still like early techstep -- but I can see that the formula might get rinsed too fast.bassnation said:its still what does it for me, over everything else - although i might get bored eventually. i'm not even that keen on the wobbler basslines (unless they are handled with sophistication like on a lot of loefah tracks). they bring back memories of techstep - more into pure fat sub.
2stepfan said:Oh, I still love it. And I still love wobbler bass. And indeed, I still like early techstep -- but I can see that the formula might get rinsed too fast.
But soft! There are choons a plenty for now.
gek-opel said:Re: Various Productions: I really like what they're trying to do (ie eclectic song-based stuff with some dubstep-centric tracks) but despite being very nicely engineered and produced, it kind of falls flat compared to "proper" dubstep, at least the 12" I've heard so far. The songs as songs aren't really interesting enough, or developed enough, and as dance music they don't really rock hard enough... kind of falling between two stools but I know lots of people are feeling their stuff, so maybe worth waiting till they put out an album. If songs were introduced to Dubstep as a more regular thing it would be essential that they really add to the form, rather than to bland it out for a Coffee Table type audience. That would be pretty sad.
I think it's being done already by Random Trio on the Cyrus EP, or at least he's heading that way. Very soft, very minimal (I didn't like it at all for the first few plays), the bass is really really low and warm. It turns out it was done before the pregnancy (his partner delivered last week) but it still has this womb-like, comforting feel to it. Not enough of the vocal sample for my taste though (so I added lots more of it in the Sufferah mix). Kode9 has some tracks like that - I especially like their version of Ghost Town, and isn't there a track with no drums at all? Bit too rushed right now to remember it clearly...gek-opel said:Interesting stuff upthread Re: possible future directions for dubstep... I was ranting to my friend last night about another conception: minimal... as minimal as possible, as elegant as possible, not dark or aggressive, but alien and stark, based around the bass, not mid-pitched distorted stuff but layered sub and synth bass, as much bass as is physically possible.
Definitely with you on room-thrumming holiness, but don't you think it's still drum and bass (in the reggae sense)? Or rather, bass and drums? By which I mean, there's still a lot of rhythmic experimentation going on... IMO...gek-opel said:That to me seems the most intriguing thing about dubstep so far- the privileging of this sonic element over drums (as in dance music drums seemed before to be the main area of innovation- however now there seems to be a limit to the total numbers of different beat-styles that can be created...). Really to follow a thread to its inevitable conclusion... Room thrumming, almost holy-minimalism.
2stepfan said:Definitely with you on room-thrumming holiness, but don't you think it's still drum and bass (in the reggae sense)? Or rather, bass and drums? By which I mean, there's still a lot of rhythmic experimentation going on... IMO...
2stepfan said:Kode9 has some tracks like that - I especially like their version of Ghost Town, and isn't there a track with no drums at all? Bit too rushed right now to remember it clearly...
gek-opel said:Interesting stuff upthread Re: possible future directions for dubstep... I was ranting to my friend last night about another conception: minimal... as minimal as possible, as elegant as possible, not dark or aggressive, but alien and stark, based around the bass, not mid-pitched distorted stuff but layered sub and synth bass, as much bass as is physically possible. .
UFO over easy said:It's so difficult to criticise various productions as a whole though, as they're made up of so many different producers (or so we're lead to believe).
mms said:it's two guys, check interview in the new fact mag (along side k-punk on ghostbox)
gek-opel said:Interesting stuff upthread Re: possible future directions for dubstep... I was ranting to my friend last night about another conception: minimal... as minimal as possible, as elegant as possible, not dark or aggressive, but alien and stark, based around the bass, not mid-pitched distorted stuff but layered sub and synth bass, as much bass as is physically possible. That to me seems the most intriguing thing about dubstep so far- the privileging of this sonic element over drums (as in dance music drums seemed before to be the main area of innovation- however now there seems to be a limit to the total numbers of different beat-styles that can be created...). Really to follow a thread to its inevitable conclusion... Room thrumming, almost holy-minimalism.
gek-opel said:Re: Various Productions: I really like what they're trying to do (ie eclectic song-based stuff with some dubstep-centric tracks) but despite being very nicely engineered and produced, it kind of falls flat compared to "proper" dubstep, at least the 12" I've heard so far. The songs as songs aren't really interesting enough, or developed enough, and as dance music they don't really rock hard enough... kind of falling between two stools but I know lots of people are feeling their stuff, so maybe worth waiting till they put out an album. If songs were introduced to Dubstep as a more regular thing it would be essential that they really add to the form, rather than to bland it out for a Coffee Table type audience. That would be pretty sad
gek-opel said:Interesting stuff upthread Re: possible future directions for dubstep... I was ranting to my friend last night about another conception: minimal... as minimal as possible, as elegant as possible, not dark or aggressive, but alien and stark, based around the bass, not mid-pitched distorted stuff but layered sub and synth bass, as much bass as is physically possible. That to me seems the most intriguing thing about dubstep so far- the privileging of this sonic element over drums (as in dance music drums seemed before to be the main area of innovation- however now there seems to be a limit to the total numbers of different beat-styles that can be created...). Really to follow a thread to its inevitable conclusion... Room thrumming, almost holy-minimalism.
mms said:this is partly what various productions do and why they may get massive..