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Hauntology
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0bleak
A Liniment's Evil Work
It's amazing looking at old threads like this - the breadth of music discussed.
It seems now that if it doesn't exist within the sphere of some kind of urban black music or pop music with vocals, or something on the uk hardcore continuum, it doesn't exist.
There was also that one thread where @Benny Bunter laid out the only acceptable styles, and when I asked why, I was told because this is dissensus.
Then @luka said something about my "shit taste in music."
You all don't think that narrowing focus could have something to do with forum be less frequented?
I also find it really, really weird that some people are into all sorts of arts that would be impenetrable to the common person, but then music that veers more closely to pop seems to be the most celebrated here.
It seems now that if it doesn't exist within the sphere of some kind of urban black music or pop music with vocals, or something on the uk hardcore continuum, it doesn't exist.
There was also that one thread where @Benny Bunter laid out the only acceptable styles, and when I asked why, I was told because this is dissensus.
Then @luka said something about my "shit taste in music."
You all don't think that narrowing focus could have something to do with forum be less frequented?
I also find it really, really weird that some people are into all sorts of arts that would be impenetrable to the common person, but then music that veers more closely to pop seems to be the most celebrated here.
versh
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It does limit the appeal somewhat, but it also gives the place a distinct culture and character. A double-edged sword.
Mind you, it's not everyone on here who thinks like that. Probably just Luke and Benny.
Benny Bunter
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That's because it was MY thread about a very specific thing.
Can't even remember what thread it was now, but I'm sure that was why I said it, and I think that's fair enough.
0bleak
A Liniment's Evil Work
generally, what I like is novel sounds, timbres, textures over a very large breadth of styles... and it doesn't have to be electric, but often is
I mean, if you're talking about my mixes, there is a more defined aesthetic that is a more noisy angle to the "novel sounds, timbres, textures over a large breadth of styles", but even there it's a very loose thing.
Like I say, I suppose if you don't know it very well, it all just sounds the same.
reminds me of how I used to comment on the way record stores would group genres.
country, rock, pop, r&b, rap etc etc etc (just various forms of the same pop song structure, but with slightly different instruments or how the same instruments are processed or produced) - and then all electronic, no matter how different, in its own little section.
I mean, if you're talking about my mixes, there is a more defined aesthetic that is a more noisy angle to the "novel sounds, timbres, textures over a large breadth of styles", but even there it's a very loose thing.
Like I say, I suppose if you don't know it very well, it all just sounds the same.
reminds me of how I used to comment on the way record stores would group genres.
country, rock, pop, r&b, rap etc etc etc (just various forms of the same pop song structure, but with slightly different instruments or how the same instruments are processed or produced) - and then all electronic, no matter how different, in its own little section.
0bleak
A Liniment's Evil Work
That's fair, but it was because "this is dissensus" that threw me off.
I think it was something about pianos or piano loops.
0bleak
A Liniment's Evil Work
I forgot that I was going to say something actually related to the topic, hauntology.
At least I think it's related from the little I've read about it here and there.
These days, I often find myself getting triggered and sad by something as seemingly insignificant as an old record label logo design, say Rising High, because it reminds me of feeling like life was still full of possibility, and thinking that the future would be more interesting than the way it turned out to be.
At least I think it's related from the little I've read about it here and there.
These days, I often find myself getting triggered and sad by something as seemingly insignificant as an old record label logo design, say Rising High, because it reminds me of feeling like life was still full of possibility, and thinking that the future would be more interesting than the way it turned out to be.
0bleak
A Liniment's Evil Work
It occurred to me that maybe you don't realize that almost all modern western european and american pop and dance music is produced electronically, even if it doesn't sound electronic to your ears because they're using stock sounds and samples of "organic" instruments, sometimes along with samples of certain drum machine sounds where those sampled drum machine sounds have now become so deeply a part of the standard musical vocabulary they they might not even register as electronic to you because they've become such a staple, say like a detuned 808 bass.
Actually, this even holds for music that has come from other regions as well such as baile funk and amapiano.
It's actually a pretty limited sound palette across many genres and styles.
Perhaps most people focus on vocals so they don't realize it, but it's pretty weird that people have been gifted these revolutionary tools to do everything from warping existing sounds in infinite numbers of ways, to creating (sometimes pretty easily) new sounds from scratch.
I ask these producers, if that's too much work, why not use sounds from outside your style and incorporate them into it?
There was one producer that I was watching on youtube recently talking about teaching some other producers and how they just want to only use specific sound packs even though infinite worlds are open to them.
Now I will admit I still have a fondness for acid, but, hey at least almost everyone that uses a 303 is constantly modulating the sound with all the various controls built into it (whether it's an original, a clone, or a plug-in or whatever).
I also want to say that maybe to you this is all kind of in a little fun, but to me it's the only so when I feel like you personally insult me for the almost one and only thing that I've ever received any positive acknowledgement for (I don't know if you realize how much negative feedback really piles up on when you lived your first 30 years with undiagnosed, pretty severe nvld because the way I do _almost anything and everything_ has been commented on negatively by people, and the doctor that diagnosed me (he specializes in autism related disorders) said that I was so bad off that most people with my range and severity of defecits are either dead or a least homeless by that age), so maybe you might see why I can't help but not be defensive.
Now you might say that I was abrasive in my generalities, but I never went after anyone personally, and some of the stuff I've posted here has been mocked or dismissed from the start of when I joined, so maybe what's good for the goose should be good for the gander?
It actually also kind of pissed me off when you all said that no one had interesting to say in that oasis thread (a band that has been culturally harmful in multiple ways, not just in their being musically retrogressive, but behavior by the band and some fans) unless it was in agreement with a positive spin, and I also felt like it was pretty small and petty thing to say especially for what are supposed to be grown-ass adults of several decades old.
If you don't like that someone here has musical opinions that differ from the usual poptimism, then maybe you all should put a sign over the door and tell people they should know their place if they're going to post here.
but, really, I guess I just don't get you and a couple of others - you could be pretty kind and nice at times, but pretty biting at other times
and you've made other comments about my disability, too, like in that version birthday thread which I didn't think were cool - but again, i guess it's kind of lighthearted fun from another's perspective - or, I don't know, is there something deeper to it?
and/or do I just take stuff too much to the heart?
I don't know - it's hard to say. I've been on and part of some pretty weird communities over the last 30 years of "internetting", including an infamous one on livejournal that I would be embarrassed to mention because it was so toxic (it made a friend of my ex suicidal), and sometimes my interactions here remind me of that (I was pretty hated by the guy that somehow hacked his way into running the group and pushing out the previous admin) and he would do things like silently remove my name as a member because he resented my being there because I guess my tastes were so opposite of his - he also laughably accused me of having narrow tastes one time as a reason for his dislike of me (oh, and I guess because I was a "nerd" according to him - not saying I'm not, but it's ironic) - but then at the same time defended someone else when they would be picked at by someone else by saying something like "even the most narrow genre has infinite permutations").
Further thoughts: I lurked here for several years before getting up the nerve to post here because I was intimidated by the intelligence of the posters here, but I think it was basically looking at all the stuff @malelesbian was saying that broke me out of it, because here was someone that not only didn't have any experience with women, but I knew they certainly didn't have all of the fucked up experiences I've had. For example, I doubt he's ever had, off the top of my head, uncomfortable and unwelcome advances like a woman leaning her body out of a drive-thru window and wriggling her chest saying "do you want anything else" in a sing-songy voice, or a co-worker whispering "wet p*ssy" in his ear, among TONS of other fucked up shit.
I can't even really remember how I even found this board - one of the last of a dying traces of millions of spaces that have been decimated by social media - it might have had something to do with John Eden since I had got a zine from him before -I don't know. I also remember him saying at one point on here before I joined that all are welcome - but are they really?
I also wouldn't have mentioned the breadth of music mentioned in the previous pages if I also didn't like and listen to a lot of it so unless it's all bleeping, then I don't know what to say, and the reason I don't bother talking about is because no one else does, and I've previously had snide comments posted about other things, or it has just been ignored so sorry if it irks you that I've pointed this out.
Never mind having mentioned lots of other music before and participating quite heavily in the symphonic soul thread - which also reminds me of another one of your pops at me in another thread where you said "it could be that you don't have 'a soul' meaning you are oblivious to its value?" - teeheehee and hahahhehe, i guess?