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You keep saying that but it still doesn't make it so.
So, something other than a fact is - a fact?
You are no longer being particularly rational here, even at an elementary level, so I suspect you're just playing little pedantic language games in order to obfuscate and mangle this discussion. But, worse, I could be mistaken.
Why for example is an unknown fact a belief? If someone doesn't know it how can he or she believe it?
More - humourous? -mangling of words. An "unknown fact"? Unknown to whom? If its a fact - something that is known - then it cannot simultaneously be - unknown. Your unreasoning here has the same structure as in your previous example above: a fact is both a fact and not a fact, a fact is both known and unknown. Unless you can accept some very basic definitions of what facts are generally assumed to be in rational discourse (maybe at least try the Wiki entry for Fact), none is possible here, just a Karaoke simulation of a Monty Python skit.
If someone doesn't know it how can he or she believe it?
If someone doesn't know a God how can he or she believe it? Beliefs are part of knowledge. You seem to be again falling into the empiricist trap of believing (sic) that all knowledge is exclusively confined to that which is empirically verifiable, everything else being expendable, unknowable nonsense.
Is that a quote from Dawkins?
Certainly NOT. Its, among many others, Nietzsche, its Spinoza, its Lacan, and on and on.
You did already say that and I already pointed out it's not an argument - saying "it's not an absolute fact" does not make it so, you're giving no reason for that to be the case, you're just insisting on it because otherwise everything you've said is wrong.
But I wasn't just saying it, and the reason was supplied ... twice. You're pretending its not there, because you don't understand it, and apparently can't understand it, because you don't seem to know what a paradox actually is, much less the full implications. Or is this all just a good laugh for you?
Maybe you could also use a little musical accompaniment to your clipped laughter?
Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don't stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape
I'm still waiting ...
-- excerpt from Crosseyed and Painless, Remain In Light, Talking Heads, 1980.
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don't stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape
I'm still waiting ...
-- excerpt from Crosseyed and Painless, Remain In Light, Talking Heads, 1980.