Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
You'd have to be a complete douche bag to try and making a false saving at this point, you should be shot or made to swallow your records whole
The Record Industry's Decline
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You'd have to be a complete douche bag to try and making a false saving at this point, you should be shot or made to swallow your records whole
nochexxx
harco pronting
You'd have to be a complete douche bag to try and making a false saving at this point, you should be shot or made to swallow your records whole
i do think that test pressings can come across as being a bit of a con though. i don't get this minimum of 10 copies business?
i personally have yet to have any bad test pressings come back, so i can understand some why labels would get hacked off with this extra cost.
as for mastering i wish i had the knowledge to do this myself.
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
Simple, it's not worth setting the machine up for less and it also gives you enough machine/pressing coverage to test the function of your plates. Anyone who bitches at £40 at this point is an idiot.
If you take the risk you deserve everything you get IMHO
Why tho, takes years and you need to have a natural talent for it - leave it to those who can and get on with what you do best, unless you want to spend two years learning to use a lathe.
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nochexxx
harco pronting
I suppose we should really be having this discussion on the vinyl pressing thread.
Thanks for clearing this up, I did wonder whether there was some financial reason for pressing a minimum of 10 TP’s.
I know someone who as pressed a fair few records and never gets TP’s and has yet to have any issues (god forbid if one day he does, mind you) but I can’t help but think, idiot or not I admire his gambling sprit!
Cause I’m a control freak who would love to get more freaky with mastering, that is if I had all the gear and like you say the ‘know how’, which I appreciate takes time and skill. I am dreaming of course. i always refer back to an artist like COH who used their mastering skills to transform their work on a contained plate
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
I suppose we should really be having this discussion on the vinyl pressing thread.
Thanks for clearing this up, I did wonder whether there was some financial reason for pressing a minimum of 10 TP’s.
I know someone who as pressed a fair few records and never gets TP’s and has yet to have any issues (god forbid if one day he does, mind you) but I can’t help but think, idiot or not I admire his gambling sprit!
It's a massive and pretty stupid gamble IMHO, there's some many different process to go through from cutting the laquers that the chance of something happening sooner or later is cock on and your friend will be stuck will £800+ worth of useless record.
I've no idea who COH is but I do know mastering is an art like no other - I leave it to those who can because most people can't and get on with the music.
crackerjack
Well-known member
Pinnnacle gone into administration.
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3ie74177a2fee1ea6d9b1ef8869e484752
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3ie74177a2fee1ea6d9b1ef8869e484752
craner
Beast of Burden
what does that say?
Neuton in germany who were a big vinyl dance music distributor went under too recently.
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
Intergroove Spain have closed today as well
Not sure if the other majors are guilty of doing this too, but i've heard from a reliable source that EMI bigwigs, at the end of a financial year, used to press up a hundred thousand extra copies of a major release (eg Coldplay). This would push up their 'projected earnings' and thus get them a massive bonus, after receiving which they'd just scrap all of the extra copies, obviously at much expense to the company.
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
Rubbish, it would never get signed off in the first place.
Martin Dust
Techno Zen Master
But you don't get paid for pressing records, you get paid for sales - it makes no sense at all.
You'd never get this past lawyers and accountants.
i didn't meant they got paid for pressing records - they get paid a bonus on projected sales. So if you press up another 100,000 units then that's another projected 100,000 sales for them to claim a bonus from. And if it's the label heads etc doing it, they weren't really accountable to anyone... not at EMI they weren't anyway. They certainly didn't need sign-off from lawyers and accountants for shit.
anyway, not really important.
this is much worse news: vinyl sales down 60% apparently...
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3ia94437f59a5754ca9a54f42d13abeeac
anyway, not really important.
this is much worse news: vinyl sales down 60% apparently...
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3ia94437f59a5754ca9a54f42d13abeeac
that would make sense, although a bonus based on a projected sale, esp if you're pressing amounts to that projected sale and giving bonuses on it is of course really fucking stupid accounting, should be based on scanned sales etc.
thats true of alot of the businesses that have gone down, or are fading anyway.
sure it's tough as hell out there but some things are doing well.
Alfons
Way of the future
Don't really care about EMI tbh, sad to read about Neuton tho, will be interesting to see what vinyl-only labels like Perlon do.
interesting and idealistic thoughts: http://www.testindustries.com/2008/12/a-new-way.html
think that some sort of idealism and passion will be the only thing keeping vinyl alive in the next few years.
interesting and idealistic thoughts: http://www.testindustries.com/2008/12/a-new-way.html
think that some sort of idealism and passion will be the only thing keeping vinyl alive in the next few years.