SoulfireCrew
Active member
it's times like these when true colors come out. it's amazing.
Dubstep
I reckon they're just baiting the ungrateful ingrates and that it'll be back in a couple of weeks.
I'd fuck them off to be honest and get somewhere else, it was never going to work at this size. 20,000's about the population of my hometown and I'm fucked if the majority of them are worth hanging out with
I'd fuck them off to be honest and get somewhere else, it was never going to work at this size. 20,000's about the population of my hometown and I'm fucked if the majority of them are worth hanging out with
i didn't understand the whole dubstep awards thing ep from dubstep forum , for a start it's a forum, ie it works toards sharing opinion and knowledge, secondly dubstep seems to be the opposite to award ceremonies for me anyway.
Saying that can someone give me an award, about £10,000 cash should do it.
Saying that can someone give me an award, about £10,000 cash should do it.
I wouldn't worry, there's probably not even enough room for any more WELL ARD COCKNEY GEEZAHS... what with us all being here and that.
heh, i might be playing at that
Can you withhold dj'ing skills until they give you the forum back?
I think there's supposed to be a lot of quotation marks in that last sentence - can you figure out where?
john eden
male pale and stale
I think people find forums that suit them - so if this ends up with even more interesting dubstep contributors to dissensus that's cool.
We can always impose our hegemony on deviants
I imagine someone like getdarker will try to fill the vacuum anyway.
Arrrgh this is a bit of a pain for me.
The main forum went a bit stupid but its a place where I could get mixes - ruffage session archives, blackdown and dusk shows when rinse didn't get round to putting them up for ages etc etc. Also the event listings were good.
In some ways grand gestures are good but I and I'm sure loads of others had stuff going on I needed to sort out! Headache!
The main forum went a bit stupid but its a place where I could get mixes - ruffage session archives, blackdown and dusk shows when rinse didn't get round to putting them up for ages etc etc. Also the event listings were good.
In some ways grand gestures are good but I and I'm sure loads of others had stuff going on I needed to sort out! Headache!
sapphic_beats
Captain Crankypants
yep. i have been lurking here forever, reading some very interesting discussions, but now i guess i should come out of hiding.
my biggest issue with the forum closing is that some people did conduct "business" (for lack of a better word) with PMs and a little warning would have been nice.
i suppose it's technically dubway's to do with what he pleases, but i still think it reeks.
hey greivous angel. i read your blog post and i am interested in your opinion. you seem to be very excited about the closure. when you say "Long live jungle, garage, grime, dubstep and funky!" are you alluding to the fact that dubstep kind of overshadowed everything else? became too insular? what do you think?
I find it odd that someone celebrate the closure (albeit potentially temporarily) of a forum that gave them exposure when not many people might have heard of them. I'm not having a dig, I just find it hard to understand.
I think it's actually pretty sad it's had to come to this. From the beginning Dubway has been a soldier and deserves a hell of a lot of respect for the profile he gave the scene in the early days, as well as those who recorded the shows like Boom and Thc.
I think it's actually pretty sad it's had to come to this. From the beginning Dubway has been a soldier and deserves a hell of a lot of respect for the profile he gave the scene in the early days, as well as those who recorded the shows like Boom and Thc.
Grievous Angel
Beast of Burden
Well, I think it's great when people avoid the temptation of getting too careerist about the music they love. Dubway could have cashed in a number of times with dubstep forum and he didn't. He loved the music, and the scene, too much to do that.
And it's great that, in the face of the increasing commercialisation and dilution of dubstep, that we get such a grand gesture, of defiance, of a certain purity. Because a certain level of commercialisation is fine, it helps artists make a living and is the lifeblood of the scene, to a degree. But there is always a danger that the wrong kind of commercialisation will hollow out the music. Bleach it of all its vitality. Now, there probably isn't that much that Dubway and co can do about stopping dubstep from going the way of drum and bass, because if loads of wannabe producers pile in and do stuff that sounds like dubstep, looks like dubstep, but lacks all the visceral power that dubstep originally possessed in spades, as is already happening, then the least we can do is make a proud declaration of the kind of dubstep we want. And if the dubstep forum becomes overrun with so many aggressively ignorant newbies that the vibe of the place is, if not ruined, then at least reduced to a pale imitation of what it once was, then I think it's brilliant that he pulls the plug.
Even if it comes back in two days or two weeks or two months, the gesture has been made. And it might work. For this is a struggle worth having. Because thus far, dubstep has been a blessed scene. The nights have at their best been incredibly enjoyable, uplifting, even spiritual sessions of deep space bass, and their best was attained frequently. I don't want to lose that. And it is something the dubstep naysayers have never understood. This is deeply affecting music. For a lot of people, dubstep really did change their life.
But as I posted in the family forum, I think dubstep is mutating into something else; the garage meme is mutating. Partly into Hessle-style future garage, partly into strange hybrids of funky, partly into deep soulful dread, and more, much more. But this is the point where the real headz seperate themselves. The newbies have to raise their game to catch up.
And it's great that, in the face of the increasing commercialisation and dilution of dubstep, that we get such a grand gesture, of defiance, of a certain purity. Because a certain level of commercialisation is fine, it helps artists make a living and is the lifeblood of the scene, to a degree. But there is always a danger that the wrong kind of commercialisation will hollow out the music. Bleach it of all its vitality. Now, there probably isn't that much that Dubway and co can do about stopping dubstep from going the way of drum and bass, because if loads of wannabe producers pile in and do stuff that sounds like dubstep, looks like dubstep, but lacks all the visceral power that dubstep originally possessed in spades, as is already happening, then the least we can do is make a proud declaration of the kind of dubstep we want. And if the dubstep forum becomes overrun with so many aggressively ignorant newbies that the vibe of the place is, if not ruined, then at least reduced to a pale imitation of what it once was, then I think it's brilliant that he pulls the plug.
Even if it comes back in two days or two weeks or two months, the gesture has been made. And it might work. For this is a struggle worth having. Because thus far, dubstep has been a blessed scene. The nights have at their best been incredibly enjoyable, uplifting, even spiritual sessions of deep space bass, and their best was attained frequently. I don't want to lose that. And it is something the dubstep naysayers have never understood. This is deeply affecting music. For a lot of people, dubstep really did change their life.
But as I posted in the family forum, I think dubstep is mutating into something else; the garage meme is mutating. Partly into Hessle-style future garage, partly into strange hybrids of funky, partly into deep soulful dread, and more, much more. But this is the point where the real headz seperate themselves. The newbies have to raise their game to catch up.
Brilliantly stated, sir.
But by default they are 'newbies' and therefore inferior?
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
If you're going to make a grand gesture like that, why not make it obvious by actually telling people the reasons behind doing it? Otherwise its just going to start up again in a few weeks/months and all the people that were on there before will go back on again.
I dunno if there's enough distance between the dsf mods and the dubstep industry/community itself for them to be in any position to criticize anyone/anything within the dubstep scene. One of the good things about the forum was that it was a community in which DJs/producers/fanboys all posted and so there was a real sense of participation/transparency (not sure that's the right word...), but that's also one of the reasons why people were generally reluctant to criticize the direction the music took. Nobody wants to seem like an arsehole to a producer online, after all.
I dunno if there's enough distance between the dsf mods and the dubstep industry/community itself for them to be in any position to criticize anyone/anything within the dubstep scene. One of the good things about the forum was that it was a community in which DJs/producers/fanboys all posted and so there was a real sense of participation/transparency (not sure that's the right word...), but that's also one of the reasons why people were generally reluctant to criticize the direction the music took. Nobody wants to seem like an arsehole to a producer online, after all.