Maybe I'm showing my age here, but to me RAVE MUSIC (what you all call hardcore, I guess) was the best music of all time. Jungle/DnB make it's break from rave and just DOMINATED! Yeah, I love Jungle. But I'm not going to pretend today's version is carrying on the spirit of the original. Trance also evolved from rave, and when I say Trance I mean the BIG TUNES from around 99 like xpander, beautiful, Greece 2000, cafe del mar. All that stuff everybody slags. To me it was the last rave dog still running, making a break for it before it got shot . The speed, the melodies, the synths, the emotion, the cheese, but most of all the dont-look-back forward-into-the-future energy. Of course it's dead now too. Nothing today had the rave blood that died with trance. Minimal? Electro? Whatever it is that passes for techno these days. Give me a fucking break! Doesn't move me.