Bauhaus vs. Burial - was dubstep invented in Northampton?

[Transpontine]

Has anyone noticed the similarity between the basslines on Burial's Archangel (2007) and Bauhaus's 'Bela Lugosi's Dead' (1979)? I've spliced some samples together if anybody wants to check this out:

http://history-is-made-at-night.blogspot.com/2007/11/burial-vs-bauhaus.html

Opens up the possibility that the search for the origins of dubstep needs to move 50 miles north of south London to Northampton in the 1970s.

 

[swears]

They're just really simple basslines, one note per bar. Not impossible for someone else to write something very similar independently.

 

[swears]

http://www.antigravitypress.com/gothic.htm

 

[wonk_vitesse]

great band , alot more original than burial, i mean 'Bela Lugosi's Dead' was like a whole new meld of stuff, best played on halloween with a pint of snake bite......still sounds as fresh today.

 

[Transpontine]

They're just really simple basslines, one note per bar. Not impossible for someone else to write something very similar independently.

I am not suggesting a direct influence, let alone plagiarism, just interested in the similarities in apparently radically different tunes. Yes the old three note bassline only has so many variations.

 

[fokse vektaire xeven]

my ex used to call dubstep "goth techno".

Gothstep is the scene's hottest new direction. Who knows about the Goth Trad Neubauten refix?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Gothstep is the scene's hottest new direction.

Dubstalk? Dublurch? Dubcreep?

 

[zhao]

death-step. bela lugosi would mix very well too, because its up there around 130. i already have it in my dubstep set (which contains more non-dubstep that sounds like dubstep than actual dubstep), but i havent done anything with it yet.

bauhaus was really a dub band at heart. mixed with post punk and whatever other sensibilities... ive never read interviews with them where they reference reggae though, but then again i dont think ive read any interviews with them period. would be interesting.

Who knows about the Goth Trad Neubauten refix?

who did that? id like to hear...

 

[Transpontine]

bauhaus was really a dub band at heart. mixed with post punk and whatever other sensibilities... ive never read interviews with them where they reference reggae though, but then again i dont think ive read any interviews with them period. would be interesting.

"We didn't sit down and go, 'OK, let's use minor chords and take it this way.' I think if they could be a fly on the wall when we were recording, people would be surprised that we'd go back home and we would tend to play a lot of late Beatles music and dub reggae. That was my main memory of what we collectively liked listening to." (interview with Bauhaus drummer Kevin Haskins)

I must admit I started this thread with tongue slightly in cheek but now thinking a bit more about it. Dub was obviously a big influence not just on Bauhaus but on many in that post-punk period, so there is an irony in much of the later goth scene being so bleached out musically (and in the hair and make up department) with few nods to black music.

 

[zhao]

ah there we go. yeah also PIL was much more dub reggae than rock in every sense.

and that band named after the unemployment form... ok no you're right we dont need to go there

 

[swears]

Burial wouldn't have associated with any of those goth chiefs at school, he would have taken their lunch money to buy El B 12s and Air Max 95s.

 

[STN]

The only goth I have ever known was so maniacally proficient a fighter that no one would dare trying to take his lunch money, for fear he would drink their blood for lunch (thus freeing up the money to spend on vital goth accoutrements, such as singles by Big Electric Cat and Fields of the Nephilim).

 

[Tyro]

I remember reading an interview with the band in which they said the bassline from Garry Glitters ''Rock n Roll Part 2'' was used as the starting point for the song.A lot of their early material shows a strong Dub influence, especially their 'B sides'.Many of the early 80's Industrial groups show this influence also,most notably Cabaret Voltaire and 23 Skidoo.
It's a real shame that music so dark can eventually bleed so white....



http://www.myspace.com/thekandytangerineman

 

[Mr. Tea]

Speaking of industrial bands, have we got any Revolting Cocks fans here? The track At The Top from Beers, Steers And Queers is totally goth-dub.

 

[Tyro]

The only goth I have ever known was so maniacally proficient a fighter that no one would dare trying to take his lunch money, for fear he would drink their blood for lunch (thus freeing up the money to spend on vital goth accoutrements, such as singles by Big Electric Cat and Fields of the Nephilim).

Big Electric Cat??

 

[cutups]

i guest dj'd in a goth club this past weekend and played a bit of dubstep in the mix.
it def fits in my version of what goth music in 2007 could be. unfortunately most kids are into the whole minor-key trance metal thing. but hey.

i'd def like to hear some dubstep bauhaus refixes.

 

[Gabba Flamenco Crossover]

They're just really simple basslines, one note per bar. Not impossible for someone else to write something very similar independently.

One of the first tracks I ever did had the exact same bassline as 'Moody' by ESG, years before I ever heard the record.

 

[zhao]

mr sloane made something recently with a similar bassline to b. lugosi as well.