oh oh oh , i see . u r prolly TEH ONLY 1 here hoo has many years of formal traiing , whew thx for clarification i will shut upp now i am humbled .
Reynolds hardcore continuum event
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padraig (u.s.)
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then what did you mean by people with no sense of rhythm? be clear.
nomadthethird
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There aren't "sampled" funk drums in classical music, but there certainly are some artists who foreshadow the work of jazz and funk artists like Sun Ra and Miles Davis... ever heard Varese? Stockhausen? Birtwistle? Boulez? Feldman? Nono? Still? Barie? Vivier? Shapiro?
nomadthethird
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Continuum is a mathematical concept used by physicist. It has little purchase anywhere else.
Oh, jeez, are you ever the dramatist. As I've already pointed out, there were in fact several of these statements, and I simply responded directly to these comments (made by both SR and Kpunk) about American "Deleuzians" and asked specifically who was meant (since there are precious few of these people, especially in the American press) and if they'd mind naming them.
I was hardly the only one here who wondered what was meant by this, either. Check John Eden and mos dan's posts. Apparently I wasn't the only one who was puzzled by these statements.
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People who think that breakbeats are danceable, no matter what color they are?
hahahahha fine then , name one piece , and preferably measure , & i will see
you said "early 20th Century CLASSICAL music":
stockhausen's just died ,first piece in 51 , he famously hated repetition and AFRICAN rdrums
birtwistle is STILL ALIVE
Boulez , DITTO but he loves african drums true , still can't wait to see teh piece u name
feldman make a breaky beat , hahahah good one
nomadthethird
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If you have some years, why don't you talk about it? Instead of just trolling?
nomadthethird
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I didn't say he made a breaky beat, I said their work foreshadowed the work of the funk and jazz artists that the breakbeats sample and the jungle musicians were influenced by.
it is teh internet , series of tubes , i talk what i want to talk about , point is , talkin bout formal training means absolutely NOTHING unles u can coherently apply it in an argumetn , for which i see exactly zero - and i do mean zero - evidence that u have done here yet . is that fair ? u said u could write out remarc tune , you said that "breaky drum patterns" were in early 20th C music . sooo, ? show us or give a link or something . standard .
the hole point of anonymous forum is taht arguments stand or fall on substance of posts , not autobiography , who cares about formal training claimes , everyone could be lying , and more important still, having many years of forml trainning assures absolutely nothing .
teh internet is beautiful b/c of htis but also ugly .
nomadthethird
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Sure is.
nomadthethird
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All of the classical artists I listed were WILDLY influential in terms of their impact on funk and jazz, which in turn influenced harcore, jungle, etc.
Helloooooo. My whole point has always been that I don't find it useful to isolate music historically. Ever. It doesn't make sense, because no music is historically isolated from outside influences. The HCC theory just sometimes seems lacking in this respect. That is all.
I frankly don't care if you disagree that much. You're not changing my mind with enthusiasm for the music. So-and-so's enthusiasm for breakbeats does not make me think that they're super innovative. I think that things like entirely different tonal systems are innovative.
It's simply a question of different standards.
padraig (u.s.)
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tedious would be a better word for it.
padraig (u.s.)
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right then. you keep Stockhausen (*EDIT* & Squarepusher), I'll take Remarc & we'll call it even.
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nomadthethird
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Did I say it was exactly the same thing? No. They're similar things.
Look, you're not going to convince me that minor tweaks are hugely innovative. So I'm going to drop it, because it's not worth it. We disagree.
And here you are admitting that the fucking Brooklyn deejays *did* combine hip-hop breaks with house at the same time it was happening in London, thus sorta proving my point that the London HCC is not the only place where these innovations were happening.
(And wow, speeding something up digitally. Quite a feat.)
nomadthethird
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And of course I can't write out remarc tune while simultaneously typing this at my laptop, I'm going to have to go sit down with a pencil and do that elsewhere, duhhhhh 
Right then. Moving on.
nomadthethird
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I swear to god, every thread I post in, Padraig comes into it and does a line by line "breakdown" of it that's so pointlessly tedious that it's bordering on the "leave Dissensus forever" because this place is so boring anymore. That plus the endless "evolution is Nazis" debate in all the other threads that's utterly retarded.
padraig (u.s.)
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it's true. I spend most of my waking hours plotting ever more diabolical ways in which to bore you into leaving Dissensus.
padraig (u.s.)
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& I'm behind the "Evolution is Nazis" bit as well. I secretly emailed Zhao & encouraged him to kickstart it for laffs. hey, what can I say?