The sacred cows

[Tentative Andy]

Jah War was really good though. Even if you might say that his grasp/interest in the rasta stuff doesn't go too deep, his flow just fits really well with the tune + beats.

Actually, I just listened to Jah War again, and as long as you don't expect him to be putting forward orthodox rastafari doctrine, those lyrics are great. Some fascinating contradictions or apparent contradictions.

 

[tom lea]

i like flowdan a lot, maybe he half-arses it sometimes now, i dunno, i still like him on sets. he certainly used to be great, tho it was annoying how often he reloaded his own bars. skeng is a fucking jam, both the original and the kode9 mix.

i've never really enjoyed loefah that much. some tunes yeah, but i've never gone wild for it the way a lot of ppl do. on paper he's great i guess.

i don't own - or particularly want to own - a single carl craig record. i could probably only name a few.

 

[Tentative Andy]

Oh c'mon Tom, even if you don't like all of Loefah's stuff, surely you must love this:
Dubstep doesn't get any better imo.

 

[alex]

It does.. Scanners & Mud are also 2 of my faves, and Woman actually.

 

[luka]

thats supposed to be good?! im falling asleep/////

 

[Corpsey]

Loefah tunes are boring to me when not heard on a huge bassy soundsystem...

but that's the way it's supposed to be, I suppose.

A tune like 'Mud' isn't conventionally likeable, is it? There's no warmth, precious little melody/tunefulness, an apparent lack of propulsive energy (which IS there when you can feel the bass)... It's all about monumental sounds and spaces - which is why personally I need a monumental soundsystem/setting to hear them in.

 

[Tentative Andy]

thats supposed to be good?! im falling asleep/////

Haha. I'll say this Luka, at least you're consistent in your response to dubstep.

 

[alex]

Yea on the right system I think Mud could win over anyobdy, probably one of the most atmospheric of his produky's...

The second drop to Vex'd's 3rd Choice Remix he did was pretty weighty aswell

 

[gumdrops]

A tune like 'Mud' isn't conventionally likeable, is it? .

thats just dubstep in general isnt it? always found the title of that 'i love dubstep' comp a bit strange.

i think i like horrorshow more than that root tune. that one with darqwan wasnt bad either. generally never remember these tracks after i hear them though. i just appreciate them technically.

 

[Tentative Andy]

A tune like 'Mud' isn't conventionally likeable, is it? There's no warmth, precious little melody/tunefulness, an apparent lack of propulsive energy (which IS there when you can feel the bass)... It's all about monumental sounds and spaces - which is why personally I need a monumental soundsystem/setting to hear them in.

I dunno, Mud has some quite strong hooks in it, to my mind. Also even when you're not hearing over a big soundsystem I think you still feel the relationship between the different elements giving it this sort of immersive depth that is very appealing. The effects/problems you describe I'd associate more with things like System or Disko Rekah.
Personally I listen to Loefah's stuff at home all the time, but I do take your overall point. Perhaps after you've heard it on a system once, then your body remembers the full experience afterwards, if that doesn't sound too mystical.

 

[luka]

i did go to a few fwds... just in case people are assuming i've only ever heard dubstep on youtube. as a pub it was alright. i had some nice conversations there. a few beers.
the music was a bit too loud, apart from that....
fairly sure i tried to wind blackdown up a couple of times when i was drunk. don't think he rose to the bait though.

 

[tom lea]

i think 'mud's great for the record. heard loefah's tunes loud plenty, they just dont move me the same way mala's or some of coki's do.

 

[Tentative Andy]

"Ay..ay..ay..ay" etc.

 

[CrowleyHead]

I believe the only reason Flow Dan had any new bars is 'cause Killa P wrote them for him, a la Birdman/Wayne. Wouldn't be unreasonable.

As far as Loefah, I like his tunes somewhat. Not BIG for them, but I do enjoy his stuff. In my opinion, his remix of Skream's "I" makes the original look like caveman sketches.

As far as new blood for the Sacred Cows thread... Martyn. Soon to reach Sacred Cow status?

 

[hucks]

As far as new blood for the Sacred Cows thread... Martyn. Soon to reach Sacred Cow status?

Meh, who cares? I liked a couple of his tunes, but he's nothing really. Does anyone really think he's that special outside of dubstep forum?

 

[Tentative Andy]

Meh, who cares? I liked a couple of his tunes, but he's nothing really. Does anyone really think he's that special outside of dubstep forum?

Yeah exactly - I think it's widely accepted already that his approach to things has drawbacks and limitations to it. I'm of the same 'he has a few good tunes' view as you.

 

[slackk]

I was told earlier someone says Wiley in this thread? I challenge you to a duel

 

[mms]

Yea on the right system I think Mud could win over anyobdy, probably one of the most atmospheric of his produky's...

The second drop to Vex'd's 3rd Choice Remix he did was pretty weighty aswell

well that's loefah's style isn't it, they're engineered to do strange things to you with bass, and they do that brilliantly, almost surgical esp stuff like scanners, i mean on a big system the bass does kinda scan you, its a sensation you feel.
I put on the first loefah record on big apple yesterday for the first time in ages, and i just thought holy crap that guy knows how to make the warmest pulpatating sub ever, but yes its not that much use if you are listening on your itunes.

 

[paolo]

I'm going to say Untold. I do like his tunes, but I can't see why a lot of folk in dubstep seem to think he's the number one producer about right now. I'll still go and see him in Glasgow next week tho

 

[massrock]

Strange criticisms of Shackleton's stuff I think. I can understand finding it boring or not danceable or coming across as po-faced but it's obviously not done without purpose or a sense of humour. The label was called Skull Disco fer goodness sake, and those over the top soundbwoy burial EP titles. Not to mention the Dave Elvis thing. Or saying the graphics / song titles are schlocky, well of course(!). But I don't think it really claims to be anything it isn't. If you don't like it fine.

Anyway this idea of sacred cows seems to be mostly about 'mainstream' (un)critical attitudes to the work certain artists, a lot of that stuff is going to seem fairly uninteresting to more er, exacting, music listeners anyway.