Maybe not so much purely darkness but House exploring the Hardcore Continuum or vice versa.
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Maybe not so much purely darkness but House exploring the Hardcore Continuum or vice versa.
that arun verone set is sick, raw mixing
lolled at the bit at the start when the mc goes "awww pull it" at that cozzy d refix.
you can hear arun say no..
"alright im sorry im sorry, no pull ups"
i noticed today the anti foot shuffling campaign has completely disappeared from fb and twitter
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bare BARE BONES
it's Carnao not sure which tune
been ploughing through those four sets Trilliam, respect for selecting them.
Radford's my fave so far but it still does more for you than me. I quite like the signature dark bleep bassline noise but the whole thing's still pretty straight house for me.
beat repeat delay + filter + fazer = this scene's rewind?
Radford's my fave so far but it still does more for you than me. I quite like the signature dark bleep bassline noise but the whole thing's still pretty straight house for me.
beat repeat delay + filter + fazer = this scene's rewind?
don't think blackdown is the same as he used to be in terms of being a general nuum reporter which is a shame. He appears to only push his own thing or stuff very closely related nowadays..
Would be good to get some high quality interviews for sure!
Like, with Funky it was this bouncy danceable reaction to the concert like vibes at grime events, the darkness etc. With this deep tech stuff though it's like, there was funky, there was grime, so why in the context of that did loads of people decided to move towards a genre which has been around forever - deep house?
PS, for those who might be interested I've done a mix which mixes up a lot of deep tech with some jackin, before getting very over the top and niche for the last bit
Like, with Funky it was this bouncy danceable reaction to the concert like vibes at grime events, the darkness etc. With this deep tech stuff though it's like, there was funky, there was grime, so why in the context of that did loads of people decided to move towards a genre which has been around forever - deep house?
PS, for those who might be interested I've done a mix which mixes up a lot of deep tech with some jackin, before getting very over the top and niche for the last bit
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gah, i have no interest in derailing this thread but what would a nuum reporter even cover right now? greyscale techno-as-the-emperor's-new-clothes? disclosure? emo indie singers with a halfstep beat? brostep & trap? what does "nuum" even mean anymore? I dont think it's clear and i've said so in print.
I can't write about the things I dont feel; it's dishonest and waste of my life. and my prio is to DJ, make and release records now; not to write about them too much.
but even if it was, let's be honest, what "nuum" stuff is there out there right now? "dubstep?" it's in stasis. grime? i've interviewed elijah, slackk, logos (and by proxy Boxed) but who else would you suggest i cover? Juke? that's not from the UK is it.
road rap and this deep house wave: i see they're prolific and vibrant but i contest that these things are even "nuum". they have the ears of the road audience i know and lots of energy in them, but sonically the dont fit the lineage as what has come before - which is fine, that's not a value judgement just an observation. UK ragga had a road audience and it wasn't part of the nuum directly, same for UK hip hop that came before and also soca. it's fine; just different.
road rap is road guys making US rap, not making an entirely new DNA, like grime was. this deep house is just the road guys discovering euro house and e/balloons for the first time (despite them existing for nearly 30 years!) and having fun. fair enough. some of them are making their own tracks, which is a great sign and might evolve into something entirely different to the house that has come before but currently is very much in line with it, sonically, albeit with a noir twist.
I regularly listen to hours of Radford et al to keep in touch, but despite my attempts to be balanced here I'm sure you lot will now just endlessly slew me for these deep house opinions. But i think all perspectives are entirely split on whether house was a completely new idea to you post-uk funky or not. It's probably quite normal to get caught up in the energy of this deep house wave if you've never engaged with the house club scene before - and fair enough.
For example: i'm hearing stories of grime MCs going down to Vauxhaul clubs, taking e and saying "it doesn't matter if there are gay guys there, everything's cool". that might be an interesting cultural twist on two communities that had next to no interaction maybe 10 years ago but e and house and Vauxhall clubs weren't invented last week. but if they came into your world in the last two years, you probably feel like it's the best thing.
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yes, i want to interview mark radford, i said so in public here. it's just that these albums wont put themselves out on keysound; my inbox is a madness of logistics. no excuse maybe but the reality of things...
Jackin
That's interesting re grime guys and E. I'd always assumed that with it being, you know, London, everyone had tried everything. There're just drugs everywhere right? That anecdote sounds more more at home with the B-boys on E phenomena, and in recent years all the hip hop/rnbs going to Europe, taking E, and somehow coming away thinking that eurotrance is the future...
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you're covering Jackin well, i dont need to!
Plus, the bootleg/refix/fromage thing just isn't me (never liked happy hardcore either tbh, sorry...).
Thanks G!
Fair enough, if that cheesy side of things just doesn't agree with you then it's not gonna be a good match. I think the charm of jackin to people who do like it is that like, the massive rudebwoy basslines kind of retrospectively justify/let you enjoy the cheesy buildups. Like with some tracks you're got some dodgey vocal, and you're waiting for the drop, and then it drops and it's rubbish and you just dash it, but with others you'll be like "this vocal/sample is seriously borderline" and then it drops into something sick and you suddenly found that you're running Kate Bush or some EDM remix at a club night...
But sorry for the massive derail, deep tech is good! It's nice to see parties in London where people look like they're having a good time. Any time drugs come to define the sound (ketamine and mdma and oversized slightly wonky house) is always a good thing by my books. And who knows, there are fuck loads of tallent producers working on it at the moment and maybe one of them will fuck with the template enough that it actually does warp into a totally new sound. Or maybe we'll just get lots of darkside house out of it.
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I was a bit sceptical of how unique this stuff is before I listened to some of those tunes trilliam posted - I don't think the stuff is completely unique (how could it be, considering how long house has been around, and how huge its been?) but there IS definitely some basslines that wouldn't be out of place in dubstep/grime.
Kind of interesting thinking back to Reynold's response to dubstep - as I recall he didn't class THAT as properly 'nuum either, did he? Musically, I mean - it wasn't hard and fast enough for him, I think, or populist. Which is why wobble actually fit into his vision of nuum music more neatly. Whereas I assume Martin would put dubstep in the conti-nuum along with grime, jungle et al.
I think its at least pleasing that music is constantly evolving, whether it takes new forms or reverts to old forms with a twist - even five years ago you wouldn't really have foreseen just how huge house has become in the UK (ditto 'EDM' in the US).
I'm interested in this stuff re: people taking mandy at these house nights too. I mean its pretty obvious thats going to be the case - it makes you wonder if, ala rave emerging from acid house, the tempos will rise (also the intensity) to fit the chemicals in the punters veins?
Kind of interesting thinking back to Reynold's response to dubstep - as I recall he didn't class THAT as properly 'nuum either, did he? Musically, I mean - it wasn't hard and fast enough for him, I think, or populist. Which is why wobble actually fit into his vision of nuum music more neatly. Whereas I assume Martin would put dubstep in the conti-nuum along with grime, jungle et al.
I think its at least pleasing that music is constantly evolving, whether it takes new forms or reverts to old forms with a twist - even five years ago you wouldn't really have foreseen just how huge house has become in the UK (ditto 'EDM' in the US).
I'm interested in this stuff re: people taking mandy at these house nights too. I mean its pretty obvious thats going to be the case - it makes you wonder if, ala rave emerging from acid house, the tempos will rise (also the intensity) to fit the chemicals in the punters veins?
"I'd always assumed that with it being, you know, London, everyone had tried everything."
i don't think pills/md were very big or important to grime or funky scenes were they?
i think reynolds massively overstates the importance of drugs in his narratives of uk club music and it's a dodgy link to get drawn too far into. im not convinced of that acid house>rave via pills thing. upping the chemicals doesn't necessarily equate to upping the tempo. md makes u dance to all kinds of stuff, it doesn't have to start getting faster just cuz thats what ur heart rate is doing.
i don't think pills/md were very big or important to grime or funky scenes were they?
i think reynolds massively overstates the importance of drugs in his narratives of uk club music and it's a dodgy link to get drawn too far into. im not convinced of that acid house>rave via pills thing. upping the chemicals doesn't necessarily equate to upping the tempo. md makes u dance to all kinds of stuff, it doesn't have to start getting faster just cuz thats what ur heart rate is doing.
Corpsey
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It is too easy to draw a direct connection between drugs and music sometimes but OTOH surely we can all agree that club music is played to drugged up people most of the time?
Didn't Goldie and others make tunes while on pills? Swear I read that in an interview somewhere.
I also think there was a direct correlation between the amount of stoners vs. drinkers/pillheads at dubstep nights and the direction the music took. The question is a bit cart and horse though since it could be that the tunes went more ravey and encouraged people to take drugs rather than visa versa.
Didn't Goldie and others make tunes while on pills? Swear I read that in an interview somewhere.
I also think there was a direct correlation between the amount of stoners vs. drinkers/pillheads at dubstep nights and the direction the music took. The question is a bit cart and horse though since it could be that the tunes went more ravey and encouraged people to take drugs rather than visa versa.
naaaaah that drop at 4 minutes in is fucking amazing!!