rave era as recapitulation of the sixties
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luka
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I know that's your stance. I think the problem for most people,is that psychosis is frightening and as I say it can take people years to recover if they ever recover at all. My mate is doing 22 years as a result of psychosis. So it's not an easy product to sell to the masses.
pattycakes_
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Was having a convo with a few heads about that last night on your fave: speed!
https://news.stanford.edu/2014/07/16/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614/
pattycakes_
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If only society was healthy
of course. it's frightening. that's the point. not to put a fine point on it but i woke up naked after my last psychotic episode. who knows what went on during that memory blank? The point is not that everyone should become psychotic, i don't wish that on my worst enemy. what I object to is the childlike inanity of society as a whole. transcending capitalism requires growing up and escaping our leisure induced childishness, who would take care of everything is not a scary thing really, the real worry for most people is what would we do with all that free time? as can be seen with covid.
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we tell people not to run away from their problems but as society we collectively do that, including trip culture. that's what I'm trying to say. it seems to be unethical to me to start piling on the poor buggers who are just doing what they have learnt from parents, family, friends, colleagues, authority,etc etc.
luka
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I think as a rule it's enough to ask, does this help me? Does this make me feel healthier, stronger, more powerful, more free, more exultant and crackling with occult energy? Does this make more followers gather at my feet? Does this make me more dangerously charismatic? Does this make my dreams come true?
Let capitalism look after itself, in the way the stars do and moon does.
Let capitalism look after itself, in the way the stars do and moon does.
Woebot
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the whole haight-ashbury experiment - with alternative systems of healthcare (the free clinic) police (the hells angels) HALO (free legal advice) food distribution (the diggers) that was an attempt to build a true counterculture
but yes as you point out. the psychoanalyst dernberg criticised mcluhan's optimistic view of the haight system though (this from my book) "Their community was not the independent counterculture they might have wished. It was actually a subculture which mirrored the straight world in its shortcomings, allowed its members to continue in their regression and/ or plateauing, and depend on society.”
really horrific stories from the haight and naropa. again in the book.
very true. and generally postponed having children until it was all done and dusted. i remember very few young children milling about in the rave years. we were the children.
Woebot
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"I just saw the Doors movie. Jim Morrison just tried to break on through to the other side too fast, thinking that all you had to do was take more and more acid. When you can’t break through anymore, when you bounce off it, you become resentful and turn to death. You won’t find that world of purity that you were expecting, and now you become resentful and turn against yourself, turn suicidal. Deleuze and Guattari call it a black hole. You enter the wrong attractor. The 60’s were extremely destratifying, and yet, because they thought they were going to achieve everything within the 60’s – and what they wanted was not achievable, period – fringes of this motion went into the wrong track. Then you have the Weathermen, completely pathetic terrorists blowing themselves up. That’s that impatience and resentment that Deleuze and Guattari warn about."
thanks for posting this version.
it's a simple case of INTEGRATION.
you gotta do the fricking work. and if you have these illuminating experiences - by whatever method (but most especially with LSD) you've set yourself a massive task. and many of the sixties people didn't do the fricking work. they just went *babywail* i want it MY WAY. however some troopers rolled up their sleeves and did the work. SOME DID!
jung puts it better than anyone:
"I only know there is no point in wishing to know more of the collective unconscious than one gets through dreams and intuition. The more you know of it, the greater and heavier becomes your moral burden, because the unconscious contents transform themselves into your individual tasks and duties as soon as they begin to become conscious. Do you want to increase loneliness and misunderstanding? Do you want to find more and more complications and increasing responsibilities? You get enough of it."
thanks for posting this version.
it's a simple case of INTEGRATION.
you gotta do the fricking work. and if you have these illuminating experiences - by whatever method (but most especially with LSD) you've set yourself a massive task. and many of the sixties people didn't do the fricking work. they just went *babywail* i want it MY WAY. however some troopers rolled up their sleeves and did the work. SOME DID!
jung puts it better than anyone:
"I only know there is no point in wishing to know more of the collective unconscious than one gets through dreams and intuition. The more you know of it, the greater and heavier becomes your moral burden, because the unconscious contents transform themselves into your individual tasks and duties as soon as they begin to become conscious. Do you want to increase loneliness and misunderstanding? Do you want to find more and more complications and increasing responsibilities? You get enough of it."
Some did the work in the sixties by inventing modern computing architecture and, later, gene engineering technology.
What the dormouse said by Markoff tells the story of LSD counterculture and computing
What the dormouse said by Markoff tells the story of LSD counterculture and computing
That's not what I'm saying though.
Do acid all you like, but when you start attaching some quasi-mystical enlightened overimportance to it, it's like organised religion isn't it? and in that sense we're talking about something that dovetails nicely with capitalism.
It's all about unorganised and chaotic gnosticism.
ur feet stink.
more aaciiiid communism
For instance the weird thing about Mark was that acid communism being a metaphor to envision a transcending beyond this society and the dispelling of its veils, he was an electoralist. which is er.. not very good for that at all. It's no good if you separate the psychedelic experience into something that has its own box that you close off, like many people do with their leftist jobs.
For instance the weird thing about Mark was that acid communism being a metaphor to envision a transcending beyond this society and the dispelling of its veils, he was an electoralist. which is er.. not very good for that at all. It's no good if you separate the psychedelic experience into something that has its own box that you close off, like many people do with their leftist jobs.
Woebot
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lots through: psychoanalysis. community care. feminism. health food. environmentalism.