Election 2020
sus
Moderator
Yeah that's what I did with 25:1, I wanted to make a profit
I meant it as 25:1 chances of no chaos post-election. not sure how to properly format it, you get my drift. Way more likely than not.
linebaugh
Well-known member
what was the reasoning again?
His opposition to slavery.
IdleRich
IdleRich
But you would be paying out 25 times what people bet - you would make an enormous loss.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
he consistently and vocally opposed slavery
albeit a pretty ineffectual President, like his dad
I believe his later career in the House of Representatives is more admired
In the 1830s, slavery emerged as an increasingly polarizing issue in the United States.[195] A longtime opponent of slavery, Adams used his new role in Congress to fight it, and he became the most prominent national leader opposing slavery.[196] After one of his reelection victories, he said that he must "bring about a day prophesied when slavery and war shall be banished from the face of the Earth". He wrote in his private journal in 1820:
"The discussion of this Missouri question has betrayed the secret of their souls. In the abstract they admit that slavery is an evil, they disclaim it, and cast it all upon the shoulder of Great Britain. But when probed to the quick upon it, they show at the bottom of their souls pride and vainglory in their condition of masterdom. They look down upon the simplicity of a Yankee's manners, because he has no habits of overbearing like theirs and cannot treat negroes like dogs. It is among the evils of slavery that it taints the very sources of moral principle. It establishes false estimates of virtue and vice: for what can be more false and heartless than this doctrine which makes the first and holiest rights of humanity to depend upon the color of the skin?"
In 1836, partially in response to Adams's consistent presentation of citizen petitions requesting the abolition of slavery in the District of Columbia, the House of Representatives imposed a "gag rule" that immediately tabled any petitions about slavery. The rule was favored by Democrats and Southern Whigs but was largely opposed by Northern Whigs like Adams.[198] In late 1836, Adams began a campaign to ridicule slave owners and the gag rule. He frequently attempted to present anti-slavery petitions, often in ways that provoked strong reactions from Southern representatives.[199] Though the gag rule remained in place,[200] the discussion ignited by his actions and the attempts of others to quiet him raised questions of the right to petition, the right to legislative debate, and the morality of slavery. Adams fought actively against the gag rule for another seven years, eventually moving the resolution that led to its repeal in 1844.[201]
In 1841, at the request of Lewis Tappan and Ellis Gray Loring, Adams joined the case of United States v. The Amistad. Adams went before the Supreme Court on behalf of African slaves who had revolted and seized the Spanish ship Amistad. Adams appeared on February 24, 1841, and spoke for four hours. His argument succeeded: the Court ruled that the Africans were free and they returned to their homes.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
popular conception of John Quincy Adams is almost definitely influenced by Amistad
if Americans have any familiarity with him at all it's probably from that
if Americans have any familiarity with him at all it's probably from that
luka
Well-known member
The Cantos Project - The Letters of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
The Cantos Project is dedicated to the research of Ezra Pound's long poem The Cantos
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Ulysses?
v corrupt administration, albeit iirc he was more of a dupe than personally involved
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
idk that being an admirable human being and doing admirable things as a President really align
LBJ was a pretty terrible person but he enacted basically all the civil rights, anti-poverty, etc legislation that JFK gets posthumous credit for
I mean he also oversaw Vietnam, so
Adlai Stevenson was probably an admirable human being, which probably helped ensure he never became President
LBJ was a pretty terrible person but he enacted basically all the civil rights, anti-poverty, etc legislation that JFK gets posthumous credit for
I mean he also oversaw Vietnam, so
Adlai Stevenson was probably an admirable human being, which probably helped ensure he never became President
sus
Moderator
And courtpacking.
sus
Moderator
Yeah agreed. Grant's administration was nothing special. Grant as human being was.