Let's not forget that @john eden also believes in capital punishment. But to dismiss the idea that there are powerful people tending the strings regardless of religion, creed or colour is to have one's head firmly stuck up one's arse.
That's the popular narrative but I'm not convinced by it. Labour won such a big majority in 1997 that a lot of people think they would have won anyway even without Murdoch's support. They had a mix of policies that were popular and a leader who was charismatic and likeable and not, at that stage, obviously a narcissistic psycho with a Messiah complex.this is all ackowledged by everyone. people say labour has to suck up to the mail and murdoch if they want to rule.
What's your favourite method for enacting a policy of KILL KILL KILL?cant beleive John Eden has called for beheadings of his political enemies in stoke newington. awful. this changes my views on the man. i cant condone beheading frankly.
It is possible that in the great battle of understanding or obscuring what I have written that there are powerful people on both sides. But as nobody seems to know this for real or can identify who they are there seems little point in talking about it except for the shits and giggles of conspiratorial Lols.
Strawman much? Can you point out where I said "powerful interest groups don't exist"?
What I actually said was that events such as the outcome of elections are not entirely determined in advance. Trump could still have won even an unrigged election last year if enough people had voted for him, regardless of what @luka's "big boys" may have wanted. I'm sure many "big boys" weren't happy about his win in 2016, but it happened anyway.
Same with the Brexit referendum - a surprise result that pleased a faction of powerful people while displeasing another, probably larger, faction of powerful people. But it was a narrow result that could easily have gone the other way.
Seriously? You think that this funny song which in no way mentions judicial sentencing or state killing is a profound statement that underpins my politics?If you actually did the homework I set you, you would see that there are indeed named architects of the fabric of our current reality. Most of the groundwork was done long ago and has splintered and morphed in infinite ways which makes for a perfect smokescreen. But it's all there. The Rockefellers and Carnegies of the world are some of the main players. Of course me mentioning these names triggers the conspiracy alarm, but if anyone could be bothered just reading the first chapter of that book, which is actually in part researched and quoted from the minutes of actual meetings between those families and others, you would see that most of society and its workings were all planned out. And school, the system that takes us from our parents at our most important developmental stage in life and programs us to fit in to the planned society, and conveniently deals with those who don't, is the root of it all. No need for illuminatis when you see it explained as clearly as it is in that book.
@Mr. Tea frothed:
Thanks for going to the trouble of writing all that and making it about you, but I was talking to @john eden
Who I believe believes in capital punishment because he posted this a while ago
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I recall pulling you up on being overly concerned about the Rothschilds before in which case I think raising the spectre of anti Semitism is reasonable.Oh and the religion thing is because whenever people get into this conversation about powerful rich people running the world it often comes back to antisemitism and the Jews have been mentioned, so I highlighted the word religion because in the end I don't think it really matters what religion you are once you're past a certain level of wealth and influence. It's a red flag no matter what the historical implications are.
Killing people is the same as capital punishment because I am the state is it?I'd say posting it right after tea's post suggests that you think it's right to kill certain people, yes.
I never expected you to read the book, but if you or anyone ever wanted to know who 'they' are, you can actually find out. But yeah, would never actually expect you or Tea to want to find that stuff out.
all that is possible/true. but i dont think it matters to my argument. and lets cool the temperature down a bit on this thread shall weThat's the popular narrative but I'm not convinced by it. Labour won such a big majority in 1997 that a lot of people think they would have won anyway even without Murdoch's support. They had a mix of policies that were popular and a leader who was charismatic and likeable and not, at that stage, obviously a narcissistic psycho with a Messiah complex.
I mean I'm sure it helped, but I don't know if it was the deciding factor. And the Sun sells about a third as many papers today as it did back then.
I know this conversation has doubtless moved on but I believe that abstract and impersonal forces affect the world more than individuals do. You can see us alluding to this in a very small way on the Discogs thread.you dont think there are any powerful people in the world? thats a strange beleif John.
i know this is the kind of thing people say but im not convinced it means anything much. its a platitude isnt it.I know this conversation has doubtless moved on but I believe that abstract and impersonal forces affect the world more than individuals do. You can see us alluding to this in a very small way on the Discogs thread.
its 'true' in a very broad kind of a way just as its true in a very broad kind of a way to say that abstract and impersonal forces move through and express themselves through individuals
No. I know exactly where I get these ideas from, who I'm referring to etc. I'd refer you to the books if I thought you'd read 'em.i know this is the kind of thing people say but im not convinced it means anything much. its a platitude isnt it.