K-Punk

[Corpsey]

He's a noble relic of the aristocratic age of dissensus. Now we're in the chaotic age and most of us can only stare inquisitively at his posts, throwing the occasional spear at them to test their texture.

 

[Corpsey]

Everytime he posts I start wondering if he's edible

 

[version]

I was thinking that when I saw this twitter post a while back taking down "that guy who..." followed by a load of cultural markers. And yes they all applied to me and yes it stung!

But I also thought well you could say that about anyone, just change the signifiers.

Yeah, there's no way to be on the outside of it. Everyone fits into some sort of category. I remember looking at the Red Scare sub and reading people cracking in-jokes, sneering at fans of other podcasts, other people on the left etc for being into certain books, holding certain beliefs, then looking at another community and they were saying the same shit about the people who listened to Red Scare.

We all seem to think we're on the other side of the glass to everyone else and nobody's pointing and laughing at us.

 

[Corpsey]

I can't imagine anyone would laugh at the dissensus crew.

 

[sufi]

I'm trying to think how to word this without falling into the trap myself, but I've noticed this sort of thing more and more. You get people raging against these nebulous, hypothetical groups they've semi-consciously constructed from scrolling through feeds, comment boxes etc and there's nothing specific enough for it to be much more than swinging at phantoms.

It's similar to when someone asks you whether you've "seen what they've done now" or tells you "everyone's going mad about ... " re: a given news item. Who? Is it "everyone" or is it some columnist or a few people on Twitter? Who or what are you actually angry with?

I read something the other day in a thread on history, conspiracy theory etc which overlaps with this a little,

The only “real history” is when these general nouns are entirely replaced with specific nouns— & this is to say “the CEO of Citadel” instead of “Wall Street” or “rich people”— & then these acronyms & names multiply infinitely— & no “total picture” is possible to keep in mind

this is the same issue tho isnt it - that tension between the spectres we create and the reality behind them, like the hard man on fb who's macho image is undermined by his family all being connected,

its not addressing oto guy's actual complaint - it was similarly dubious on my part to go ad hom on him when we should critique the comment eden was promoting, not th ebloke himself

 

[Corpsey]

I was thinking that when I saw this twitter post a while back taking down "that guy who..." followed by a load of cultural markers. And yes they all applied to me and yes it stung!

But I also thought well you could say that about anyone, just change the signifiers.

I think these memes tap into an anxiety we all have in the internet age, that 1) we're not unique individuals, cos now we can see there's at least 12 million people with exactly the same taste in things as us and 2) that our taste isn't something we've developed, it's something that has been foisted on us by the internet, by data being gathered and an algorithm working out "he likes reading this magazine so he'll like this TV series" or whatever.

 

[luka]

i think laughing at the bloke is always funnier and also somehow smarter and more interesting than pretending whatever remark it is has any substance

 

[version]

this is the same issue tho isnt it - that tension between the spectres we create and the reality behind them, like the hard man on fb who's macho image is undermined by his family all being connected,

its not addressing oto guy's actual complaint - it was similarly dubious on my part to go ad hom on him when we should critique the comment eden was promoting, not th ebloke himself

Yeah, but I'm trying to respond specifically to that person's tweet whereas that tweet's taking aim at some vague group of people on the left. I mean we complain about new stuff on here all the time and you can't even apply it to Dissensus because there's plenty of threads on new films, tunes etc and even Luka will post an Abra thing he's into despite claiming music's finished.

 

[luka]

I think these memes tap into an anxiety we all have in the internet age, that 1) we're not unique individuals, cos now we can see there's at least 12 million people with exactly the same taste in things as us and 2) that our taste isn't something we've developed, it's something that has been foisted on us by the internet, by data being gathered and an algorithm working out "he likes reading this magazine so he'll like this TV series" or whatever.

this opinion has already been expressed

any opinion you can formulate has been expressed by at least 10,000 other 'indviduals' on twitter. you can search for it and find it. mortifying. does terrible things to peoples sense of self.

 

[IdleRich]

Ironic

 

[sufi]

I think these memes tap into an anxiety we all have in the internet age, that 1) we're not unique individuals, cos now we can see there's at least 12 million people with exactly the same taste in things as us and 2) that our taste isn't something we've developed, it's something that has been foisted on us by the internet, by data being gathered and an algorithm working out "he likes reading this magazine so he'll like this TV series" or whatever.

Yeah, but I'm trying to respond specifically to that person's tweet whereas that tweet's taking aim at some vague group of people on the left. I mean we complain about new stuff on here all the time and you can't even apply it to Dissensus because there's plenty of threads on new films, tunes etc and even Luka will post an Abra thing he's into despite claiming music's finished.

its all part of the dematerialisation experience isnt it, reducing us to spots on a 5d venn diagram

 

[version]

I think these memes tap into an anxiety we all have in the internet age, that 1) we're not unique individuals, cos now we can see there's at least 12 million people with exactly the same taste in things as us and 2) that our taste isn't something we've developed, it's something that has been foisted on us by the internet, by data being gathered and an algorithm working out "he likes reading this magazine so he'll like this TV series" or whatever.

I guess the obvious response is "And?" or "So do you".

 

[version]

Did someone on here mention Mark getting the David Foster Wallace treatment? Because he is. Both in the sense of sainthood and it becoming cool to dislike him in response.

 

[luka]

all a bit sad really this framing as a great man that you then have to try to tear down. i like the way he was a human desperately scrabbling at the walls of the cell. totally fucked and clueless. thats whats good about it.

 

[luka]

i hope when im dead and famous people will go i like the way he was a human desperately scrabbling at the walls of the cell. totally fucked and clueless.

 

[Corpsey]

I'm going to be leading the backlash against you.

 

[Corpsey]

I'll be saying can't the post-davies left stop going on about Prynne, Finnegan's Wake, Liam G and Iron Man?

 

[version]

"Remember when he took to wearing the dreaded L medallion?"

 

[Corpsey]

Craner will be the first to stick the boot in in a 10,000 word obituary blog that takes "a long hard look" at "the man who thought he loved me".

 

[Corpsey]

I have thought about it before you know. How I would feel if one of you died. It would be really weird.