Brexit Day

Leo

Leo

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luka said:
Dunno I don't work
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I don't mean to pry and feel free to say it's none of my business, but I'm curious if you've noticed any general changes in what people are willing to pay in your "pay what you want" set up.
 
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martin

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Leo said:
have wages gone up?
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Glimpsed a headline this morning (didn't read it properly) about how Waitrose are now paying some of their lorry drivers as much as their directors to meet the supply shortfall, which I find a bit hard to believe. But who knows...

I'm kind of with George Galloway on this one - it would be cool if the Left could build on this huge opportunity for working class people to collectively demand higher pay, instead of banging on about how much better it was when we were in the EU (not meant as a slag of anyone here, I'm thinking of a few slappable Twitter users).

There seemed to be a reevaluation of what you'd call 'an important job' when the whole Covid shitstorm went down last spring, which was interesting. Then again, there seemed to be reevaluations of environmentalism, the NHS and the celebrity cringe cult around the same time, but not sure if that was the start of something or just a temporary blip. Feels like the latter, to be honest.
 
luka

luka

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Leo said:
I don't mean to pry and feel free to say it's none of my business, but I'm curious if you've noticed any general changes in what people are willing to pay in your "pay what you want" set up.
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Not really but more people want to pay by card (I don't have a card reader)
 
Leo

Leo

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I know you and woops are "no-sellout" but that one minor concession could make a noticeable difference.
 
V

version

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luka said:
Against this backdrop, it is perhaps unsurprising that Brexit divided the nation in the way it did. If you were in a relatively well-paid job and not at risk of being replaced or undercut by a worker from overseas, you were likely to vote remain. The Polish plumber was cheaper, the Lithuanian nanny was better educated, so what was not to like?

If, on the other hand, you were part of Britain’s casualised workforce, needing two or more part-time jobs to get by, you were much more likely to vote leave, on the grounds that tougher controls on migration would lead to a tighter labour market, which in turn would push up wages.

For those who have nothing to fear from open borders, labour shortages are evidence Brexit is flawed. For those not so fortunate, it is doing what it was supposed to do.
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This was something I was trying to get across when we got bogged down in the whole anvil thing. It's easy to talk about fixing things in a measured, methodical fashion when you aren't at the absolute bottom.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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martin said:
Glimpsed a headline this morning (didn't read it properly) about how Waitrose are now paying some of their lorry drivers as much as their directors to meet the supply shortfall, which I find a bit hard to believe. But who knows...

I'm kind of with George Galloway on this one - it would be cool if the Left could build on this huge opportunity for working class people to collectively demand higher pay, instead of banging on about how much better it was when we were in the EU (not meant as a slag of anyone here, I'm thinking of a few slappable Twitter users).

There seemed to be a reevaluation of what you'd call 'an important job' when the whole Covid shitstorm went down last spring, which was interesting. Then again, there seemed to be reevaluations of environmentalism, the NHS and the celebrity cringe cult around the same time, but not sure if that was the start of something or just a temporary blip. Feels like the latter, to be honest.
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Well lots of things "would be cool", wouldn't they.

Sure, it's good if labour shortages lead to a wage boost for certain blue-collar workers, although this will have to be weighed against knock-on effects (a probable increase in food prices).

But socialism via Brexit? We're talking about a movement that was led and funded from the beginning by multi-millionaires and billionaires who want to pay less tax, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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Part of the reason Remain lost was that it was supported by some absolute thundercunts like Richard fucking Branson. As well as Cameron, Osborne, Blair and tons of others. So it was easy for the Leave side to channel anger against those people, even if Leave was also led by total cunts.
 
V

version

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Yeah, you had a war among the elites with a lot more of them on one side than the other and a lot of ordinary people really don't like them. The same goes for Trump.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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version said:
Not in that particular instance, but it's what a lot of them do in general anyway. You can't really make that sort of money without running other people out of business.
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Can't disagree with that. But it seems that, far from actually solving the problems we had already, or even exchanging one set of problems for another, we've still got all the problems we had prior to 2016 and now a whole load of additional problems on top.

If some truckers get a wage boost then good for them, but it's a drop in the ocean.
 
V

version

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Mr. Tea said:
Can't disagree with that. But it seems that, far from actually solving the problems we had already, or even exchanging one set of problems for another, we've still got all the problems we had prior to 2016 and now a whole load of additional problems on top.

If some truckers get a wage boost then good for them, but it's a drop in the ocean.
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Yeah, it's pretty disheartening. There doesn't seem to be any possible outcome where the poorest won't be hit hardest. They can lash out, but it's unlikely to ever reach the top. They're insulated from everything up there.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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version said:
Yeah, it's pretty disheartening. There doesn't seem to be any possible outcome where the poorest won't be hit hardest. They can lash out, but it's unlikely to ever reach the top. They're insulated from everything up there.
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It's easy to frame it as a poor vs rich issue, but remember that Brexit was hugely popular among the provincial English middle classes, too. And not that popular even among poorer voters in Scotland, Northern Ireland, London.
 
luka

luka

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I tHink we should kill me tea. Not in a metaphor way like actually snuff his life out. Put our collective hands around his throat, see him turn purple, choke, last breath, dead, no more mr tea.
 
luka

luka

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I'd be so happy to see him dead, I would be creasing, I'd film it and put it on Twitter, absolutely dying laughing, the last moment of tea, watch him die, it's hilarious
 
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