The Coming Authoritarianism.

[thirdform]

proof that this thread is also full of dunderheads. calm down and think for a split second. the question is not freedom, as I spent ages typing upthread, for fuck's sake!

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

The answer to the question of freedom for Marxists is always "NO", so the value of your opinion on these matters is right down there with the lay-by haunter's.

 

[thirdform]

Being critical of the state where it does things that impact on people's wellbeing and freedom is one thing - as I've said, I'm not convinced vaccine passports are a good thing, precisely because I don't trust the state to act in everyone's best interests. That's clear to anyone who wasn't born yesterday. But the state has also provided me with, for example, vaccination against covid-19, which is unequivocally a good thing according to the objective data on the risks involved.

But I certainly don't buy that the anti-vaxx movement is only "accidentally" right-wing, or that this is just a result of some failure on the left's part, because while clearly nobody is a priori immune to the disease, it does pose a far greater risk to the very old or people who are disabled or already ill with something else. The stats for covid deaths of mentally disabled people in this country are incredibly depressing, for example. So somebody who thinks (rightly or wrongly), "I'm healthy so I'll just shrug it off, fuck vaccines" - that it's only for the Untermenschen to worry about, in other words - yeah, that's pretty right wing. And whether or not herd immunity is ever really achievable, it's clear that vaccination strongly reduces your risk of catching it and therefore of passing it on, so your own vaccination status has an impact on those around you.

Right. So why are we entrusting this sense of collective solidarity all to the state? That's the question I'm asking. The fact is, anti-vaccers are a manufactured enemy (by the state which end up reenforcing its mechanisms even further) just as conspiracy thinkers are. Resistance to social atomisation does not always take the form of left wing politics.

 

[thirdform]

The answer to the question of freedom for Marxists is always "NO", so the value of your opinion on these matters is right down there with the lay-by haunter's.

No, I just think you are fully integrated into what you protest. Wanting it all to collapse serves the British state very well.

 

[thirdform]

when all is said and done, you and mb are ironically labourites in denial. Poverty politics masked in abstruse verbiage. No matter how hard I try, this place will not defeat ilx for good on the political ground, because there are too many military deserters here. I might retire soon.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

when all is said and done, you and mb are ironically labourites in denial.

Two years ago today I DID vote Labour! There was no denial, so you're wrong again. Classic 'dform!

 

[thirdform]

Two years ago today I DID vote Labour! There was no denial, so you're wrong again. Classic 'dform!

Well in which case, you're a moron. the majority of British marxists are on your side, not mine.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Poverty politics masked in abstruse verbiage.

This bit! But that's you!

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Well in which case, you're a moron.

I had my own very special reasons on that particular day. On December 12th or 14th, I wouldn't have voted at all.

 

[thirdform]

I had my own very special reasons on that particular day. On December 12th or 14th, I wouldn't have voted at all.

is it now? Do elaborate.

 

[thirdform]

let's be havin' ya.

 

[thirdform]

doodles fingers.

 

[thirdform]

trying not to slaughter some sacred cows here but...

 

[Mr. Tea]

Another way of looking it might be that even this fucking toad of Tory MP thinks the idea is shit

Well even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day, I suppose. But they're not really the people I look to for defending our liberties, you know what I mean?

They're pretty good at stoking culture wars, OTOH.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Well in which case, you're a moron. the majority of British marxists are on your side, not mine.

You two in this thread:

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

You need to change your profile pic, it's almost as bad as the homophobic one you were forced to memory hole.

 

[thirdform]

You need to change your profile pic, it's almost as bad as the homophobic one you were forced to memory hole.

Yes ok tell that to tea when you're sodomising him in front of Oliver. Answer my question first though.

 

[thirdform]

specific reasons Toby, specific reasons.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Not specific, special. Big difference. It has to do with where I find all those gold rings.

 

[Leo]

IQ locked into Third's crosshairs, how long until the Michael Jackson popcorn meme appears.