The Heavy

shakahislop

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one aspect of the metal heaviness is the chaos of distorted guitars. it's not the only thing that's going on, bass and beats are doing a lot, but there's something unique about the way that guitar pedals have evolved, combined with the natural aspect of chance that comes with the way that strings vibrate, that makes that soupy distorted buzz only partially controlled by the player, with a whole load of random chance and accidents expressing themselves at the same time
 

Mr. Tea

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one aspect of the metal heaviness is the chaos of distorted guitars. it's not the only thing that's going on, bass and beats are doing a lot, but there's something unique about the way that guitar pedals have evolved, combined with the natural aspect of chance that comes with the way that strings vibrate, that makes that soupy distorted buzz only partially controlled by the player, with a whole load of random chance and accidents expressing themselves at the same time
If I can spam a tune of mine (well, it's Ozzy/Geezer/Tony/Bill's tune, obviously), all the 'guitars' on this are actually bass guitar, bar the solo in the middle:


Bunnyhausen kindly provided the vocals.
 

thirdform

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Im not sure this is the same heavyness were talking about here. like with what you said this stuff is a mental exercise like jazz. doesnt register physically in the same way and doesn't have the same immediate entrancing affect

It does, if you see it live in the flesh. Metal is kids stuff compared to noise, far too rock n roll, really. this stuff will give you real life OBs, especially under the influence.

But then again so will jazz. Every good alchemist knows that the most visceral experiences come about after strenuous intellectual effort. You have to open your body to receive the vibration.
 

thirdform

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dissensus people mostly only like heavy if it's weird or nominally fwd or etc, not for its own sake

possibly in part bc heaviness isn't really the point of dance music

deepness certainly can be but it's not quite the same thing, even when serious bass weight is involved

you're trying to get people moving, not crush them into a sonic abyss

Again, disagree. Part of what makes 92 ardkore so great is that it achieves both of these approaches, though again more through amphetamine psychosis.
 

thirdform

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Sabbath isn't the ultimate heavy - the founders are always surpassed by devotees - but they are the sine qua non of heavy

their first four LPs - really, Paranoid and Master of Reality - are the quintessential documents

Sleep is essentially everything good about those 2 records compressed into the density of a black hole

the distinction between heavy and "just a rock band with loud guitars" is a crucial one

Wrong, the correct parallel to sabbath is more Mainliner. Sleep is quite clean. One thing about the heavy in the sense of hard psych and 70s proto-metal is it actually has to sound dirty, in the sense of chimney ash, smog, fog.
 

william_kent

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Les Rallizes Denudes - The Last One ( france demo tape )

this must count as "heavy" - plodding repetitive rhythm section forms the foundation for extreme distorted guitar freakout, a perfect marriage of rock, drone, and noise beating you into submission
 

thirdform

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Les Rallizes Denudes - The Last One ( france demo tape )

this must count as "heavy" - plodding repetitive rhythm section forms the foundation for extreme distorted guitar freakout, a perfect marriage of rock, drone, and noise beating you into submission

One of my favourite bands of all time, yes.
 

shakahislop

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once again the connotations of the font that's used in that Earth video background are offputting to me, they make me want to apologise. the tolkein thing.

not a surprising addition to the thread and they've been mentioned before, but the new incarnation of Earth for sure has a heavy thing going on, well within the remit of this thread. the interesting aspect of it, and what it adds here, is that its heaviness without aggression. it still has that plodding hypnosis thing going on but without any of the growling, drum smashing, or even really the chaotic distortion that the metal end of heaviness has. again the thing that jumps out on relistening in light of this discussion is the similarity to pre-wobble dubstep in the primacy of the bass, and of course the slowness of it. and i guess the self-controlled, restrained feeling as well.

 

thirdform

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used to love these guys as a teenager. What appealed was this almost spasmodic jerkiness, the inability to trance out. The thing with Electric Wizard and sleep and that lot is like Swans, you can trance out, by which point it doesn't become very heavy.

 

thirdform

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pre-lightning bolt, more diffuse, but that also means a greater focus on mutant punk-funk on crystal meth. corrigated blocks smashing into your chest.

 

shakahislop

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used to love these guys as a teenager. What appealed was this almost spasmodic jerkiness, the inability to trance out. The thing with Electric Wizard and sleep and that lot is like Swans, you can trance out, by which point it doesn't become very heavy.


to me lighting bolt is more like an explosion of energy. its a really different affect to the metal stuff in this thread. exactly for the reasons you say, that its fast and spasmodic.
 
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