The Normie Cultural Mafia

[version]

I rewatched this bit when it was on TV on the other day and found myself thinking, "So what?".

It's supposed to be this devastating putdown but she sets it up as being more or less inescapable and doesn't address the initial point of the two belts being similar.

It's her tone and the atmosphere in the room that wounds, not the point being made.

 

[linebaugh]

version is fuming

 

[linebaugh]

he likes big mini's putt putt and doesnt think he should be made to be feel bad about it

 

[version]

I spent ages picking out this cerulean sweater.

 

[Mr. Tea]

he likes big mini's putt putt

and he cannot lie.

 

[version]

It's her tone and the atmosphere in the room that wounds, not the point being made.

This ties in with something I can't stand about a lot of online arguments, you'll see people get into a Twitter spat or whatever and the audience will just back whoever they like rather than whoever's making the stronger argument then behave as though they made the stronger argument anyway until the other person shuts up or storms off and it becomes the narrative that they lost.

You can see it in coverage of political debates in the HoC too. You can have someone from Labour or one of the other parties make a decent point and the Tories will just make up something about them coming across as weak or whatever then act as though they genuinely believe it.

That Eminem vs. MGK thing's a decent example too. The Eminem tune in response wasn't particularly convincing but people were invested in the whole "You don't battle Em," thing and just said and behaved as though it was insane anyway, or came up with elaborate theories as to why it wasn't 'the real response' and how he was just saving the 'really crazy' one. Anything to preserve the myth.

 

[Clinamenic]

and he cannot lie.

 

[version]

She could say more or less anything in that scene and it would have the same effect as the people around her would respond in the same way.

 

[Clinamenic]

She could say more or less anything in that scene and it would have the same effect as the people around her would respond in the same way.

Yeah this is something I've been starting to learn as well: often times, when it comes to affecting people, the actual content/substance of the message is less important than the tone/style. IE stating something with enough confidence is often more important than making a sound argument, in terms of getting people to take your side.

It's almost a sort of primordial hermeneutics, whereby we instinctively are more drawn toward confidence, especially when we aren't actively critical of our own psycho-affectivity.

 

[version]

It's about status too. That scene is status asserting itself.

 

[sus]

This ties in with something I can't stand about a lot of online arguments, you'll see people get into a Twitter spat or whatever and the audience will just back whoever they like rather than whoever's making the stronger argument then behave as though they made the stronger argument anyway until the other person shuts up or storms off and it becomes the narrative that they lost.

You can see it in coverage of political debates in the HoC too. You can have someone from Labour or one of the other parties make a decent point and the Tories will just make up something about them coming across as weak or whatever then act as though they genuinely believe it.

That Eminem vs. MGK thing's a decent example too. The Eminem tune in response wasn't particularly convincing but people were invested in the whole "You don't battle Em," thing and just said and behaved as though it was insane anyway, or came up with elaborate theories as to why it wasn't 'the real response' and how he was just saving the 'really crazy' one. Anything to preserve the myth.

It's about status too. That scene is status asserting itself.

This is all of human discourse how are you only realizing this now lmao

 

[sus]

version getting redpilled

 

[Clinamenic]

It's about status too. That scene is status asserting itself.

Yeah if they contradict a high-status person, they are liable to suffer reputation-wise. An example of an extrinsic factor, whereas the soundness of the message itself would be more intrinsic.

 

[version]

This is all of human discourse how are you only realizing this now

I said it's something I can't stand, not something I've only just realised.

 

[sus]

I do get that in the Matrix if you took the red pill you awoke and the lies around you were peeled back and it could be a metaphor for any such kind of awaking and discovery of new knowledge plus the revealing of lies... and yet, now when I hear the term redpilled it makes me think of right-wingers, Q-Anon types or PUAs etc it shouldn't have to but sadly it does, I think that, like it or not, they have captured that term for themselves.

Inevitably, the cultural baggage of a general term's recent historic associations taint the term in general

 

[Corpsey]

Suspended stamping on version there with that lmao

Chilling

 

[sus]

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Normies aren't into trains

That's actually not true

Railfans - what you all call trainspotters (whence "trainspotting" in the clocking a DJ's tunes sense) - are overwhelmingly white, middle-aged, dads/dad types, which is not surprising. It's in the same general realm as historical reenactment, another overwhelmingly white guy hobby.

It never happened to me, but I heard 2nd or 3rd hand accounts of railfan types calling railroad cops (aka "bulls") on people riding freight, like they take it personally in this weird way that you're messing up their hobby. Whereas actual rail workers are in my experience usually pretty cool and will answer questions if approached respectfully and not where like, the boss in the yard tower can see them talking to you.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I guess you could say trainspotting is a weird hobby but most hobbies are weird if pursued enthusiastically enough and trainspotters are normal types outside that hobby, is what I mean

 

[linebaugh]

What's key in that scene is that Wintour could never be a normie because she creates the culture—how could she not see through it? She understands viscerally how invented the norms are; she helps design them

Extreme pursuits and extreme power always radicalize people out of normiedom

This isnt entirely true anymore though, normies have their own means of cultural production. Look at popular the Youtubers, podcasters and etc.