Explain to an american how lizz truss resigning can happen

[craner]

"And by a General Election, I mean an Independence Referendum..."

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

No it was her plan. They voted for new leaders and they wanted to take the party in different directions, she had her own plan for a certain budget and she won the leadership contest on that, as opposed to others who wanted to do different things. So in a sense it was approved by the membership - 80,000 retired majors and their wives who live in Surrey.

See this is interesting: I somehow never realized yall's party leadership elections were made by party members. I thought it was like the Speaker of the House, who is elected by Representatives (in your case PMs) of the ruling party.

Technically I guess you could say the Presidential primaries are an internal party leadership election (tho even there a bunch of states allow cross party voting i.e. open primaries) but it's not the same thing.

Really what it is is that the PM basically combines the functions of President (head of state) and Speaker/Senate Majority Leader (head of the party in the legislative branch).

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

There's basically no benefit here to being a registered party member here unless you live in a state with closed primaries (i.e. party members only)

 

[IdleRich]

See this is interesting: I somehow never realized yall's party leadership elections were made by party members. I thought it was like the Speaker of the House, who is elected by Representatives (in your case PMs) of the ruling party.

Technically I guess you could say the Presidential primaries are an internal party leadership election (tho even there a bunch of states allow cross party voting i.e. open primaries) but it's not the same thing.

Really what it is is that the PM basically combines the functions of President (head of state) and Speaker/Senate Majority Leader (head of the party in the legislative branch).

Each party is free to choose their own process. At the moment the backroom leadership are choosing a process to expedite choosing the next leader. They can't afford to take months like last time.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

If the Tory membership elects a nutter that's can't win a general election, they lose power. This is a very big constraint.

This is the succinct answer to the original question

Presidents are virtually impossible to impeach, so whoever you elect here you're stuck with no matter how unpopular they get

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Each party is free to choose their own process. At the moment the backroom leadership are choosing a process to expedite choosing the next leader. They can't afford to take months like last time.

So will the new leader be chosen by Tory MPs, or by Tory membership like Truss was? That's the distinction

 

[IdleRich]

Last time it was a kind of hybrid with MPs nominating and voting on it and then whittling it down to two, but the final say was the membership and they picked the one that the party hadn't wanted.

 

[shakahislop]

So will the new leader be chosen by Tory MPs, or by Tory membership like Truss was? That's the distinction

we don't know yet i think. they haven't said. oh ok they actually just announced it two minutes ago, and its a convoluted mixture of the two

 

[version]

The MPs have recently been talking about barring the membership from picking the leader while the party's in office.

 

[IdleRich]

So will the new leader be chosen by Tory MPs, or by Tory membership like Truss was? That's the distinction

They are literally making it up now... literally announcing it in fact. I think that the party will nominate first and any MPs that get more than 100 will be put to the membership. So if only one does then there may be a coronation with the members simply rubber stamping it, if there are two or three who meet that threshold then the membership will decide.

 

[shakahislop]

i think what they're saying they'll do is that the MPs will select two candidates, and if they need a tiebreaker they'll set up soundsystems on each end of the house commons and do a soundclash

 

[craner]

I hope they pick Penny Mourdant. It'll be like being whipped by Catherine Deneuve for two years.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

its a convoluted mixture of the two

That always bodes well

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

When have new, confusing electoral procedures ever caused problems

 

[version]

Hopefully this is a fatal blow to the ERG. They've had their shot. Their credibility, not that they should have had any in the first place, should be in tatters,

 

[IdleRich]

The thing is the system that picked Truss - which was also confusing - took months to pick a leader, they daren't do that again.

 

[version]

The thing is the system that picked Truss - which was also confusing - took months to pick a leader, they daren't do that again.

That's another aspect of the chaos. They have all these systems in place that they can just have Graham Brady change when it suits them.

 

[IdleRich]

Seems that way... they kinda sorta change the rules to get rid of Johnson too.

 

[version]

what liz truss did, which is ultimatley boring polictical mintuae.

The Bank of England claimed they had to step in to stop millions in private pensions being wiped out.

 

[woops]

i think what they're saying they'll do is that the MPs will select two candidates, and if they need a tiebreaker they'll set up soundsystems on each end of the house commons and do a soundclash

gives new meaning to the speaker of the house