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Mr. Tea

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that's just a generic project management issue though isnt it, anyone could've done that
Huh? That doesn't make any sense. It was a very specific project and they ballsed it up at vast public expense because "the private sector is lean and efficient" or somesuch horsewank.
 

catalog

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what's the *correct* course of action with respect to covid
this is a trap - vimothy has read de landa. there's no correct approach. you just have to wait til it becomes endemic. no government or approach has ever 'worked' when it comes to epidemics
 

vimothy

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there is no epidemic, it's just the interplay of flows connecting to flows. (paraphrasing henry miller) between us and the virus there is no difference
 

boxedjoy

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They could have: listened to the scientists from the beginning; never pursued or even floated the nonsense of "herd immunity"; managed a proper lockdown rather than this half-hearted thing where a significant percentage of the country is going to work; made furlough a viable proposition and not changed the rules of it only when it affected their core voter base; not given the T&T contracts to firms with no previous experience that were blatantly unqualified to do it. Those are just some of the obvious ones to me.

Countries like Taiwan have managed to bring into control. New Zealand might be tiny population-wise but they're an island nation and so are we and our story should and could have easily looked more like theirs. It isn't good enough. And it's not about "policy" or "values" or "beliefs" - This is about the fact that there are fifty thousand people dead who wouldn't have died if this has been managed effectively.
 

catalog

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Don't think they could have afforded that 'proper' furlough scheme though. And it's ludicrous to compare UK to nz, island or no island.

Im not saying they are not fuckups. But I am saying that there's basically no real right way. You do just have to wait the virus out and get to a point where it can't go anywhere new.
 

boxedjoy

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They could have furloughed more people for less time. As it stands, the furlough scheme is going to last 12 months now which is going to be far costlier.
 

catalog

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A big issue is that the messaging has been too complex for people. It's such an unusual thing, it requires people to work together and be responsible. And alot of people are not, plus there is alot of dicision/suspicion cos of brexit just before.
 

boxedjoy

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I don't think it's that ludicrous - the political landscape of the past twenty years has been about dealing with the clamour to "close the borders", they finally had a legitimate excuse to do it and they fucked it.
 

catalog

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Compare the population sizes, population densities, regional variations. It's like when people argue for a scandanavian welfare model. You are not comparing like with like in any meaningful way
 

catalog

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The messaging was undone when Cummings let us realise it was ok to drive across half the country for a family birthday because Specsavers was shut
Yes indeed, agree wholeheartedly. That was a turning point. It allowed people to say fuck it.
 

boxedjoy

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They haven't even saved the economy at the expense of lives. Nearly 1 in 20 people are now classed as "unemployed." So in pure terms of competency measures, they've done neither of the things they sought to do.
 

boxedjoy

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The problem with the way the Tories are attacked is that it comes from a moral and social perspective: the idea that their priorities are wrong, their inability to support and benefit the disadvantaged is a moral failing. I agree that it's cruel and evil but the Tories do no care and will not change, It's a pointless angle of attack. You cannot reason with unreasonable people.

But if Tories are going to be Tories the least they can do is be competent at that and that's where this Government has spectularly failed.
 
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