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This is the song btw that starts with her slurping saliva as she takes out her Invisalign braces.
Just so we all know what Shaka is "into"
She's pretty grim up close, sorry. Preharridan.
Like a young Julie birchill crossed with Lloyd Grossman
shakahislop
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well yeah i don't disagree at all that this isn't a particularly new thing, but like all these things there is something interesting about how its currently configured
luka
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yes, it was on the thread about that song. really good discussion.
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here
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shakahislop
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can you please copy and paste all of the posts from that here, well not all of them, please compile a highlights set for me thankyou luka
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any format for referencing is fine, i'm not fussy, please do not omit city of publication however
shakahislop
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on my desk by COB though
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The first generation where the infantilization process has been fully realized. Look at how all the big fashion brands are selling repackaged high couture versions of the sneakers and clothes we all wanted when we were kids. 500$ sneakers didn't exist in the 90s (afaik) Look at all the fancy burger and fry joints. Adult swim etc.
Sounds like the vocalists at uni pubs but with special fx. Need to be in a certain state of mind to ascend to this kind of plateau, and I'm averse to it by temperament. Also why do zoomers love pianos? They are single handedly the most ugly instrument when played properly because of their equal temperament. All my favourite pianists are improper, art tattum, cecil taylor, herbie hancock etc. Hell even Stockhausen's piano pieces are great for this reason, just hard core swinging teutonic blues.
It is a quirk of socialisation, the retention of the collective memory of the species. But memory by nature is selective. Gus solely focuses on a certain Indie/pop aspect. Rap mystifies him for this reason, because it's not his memory. But I think, and I could be wrong, he's fighting a losing battle. Noone will be citing eilish or polachek or charley xcx as influences in 20 years time, whereas people will still refer back to Public Enemy and Brandy. And why some musics are able to generate myth is a more interesting question. What kind of social memory do they speak to?
Like, obviously, marketting execs want Harry Styles to be more popular than Gucci Mane. Pop music is teenybopper music, yes, but it's also marketted in such a way that it is also supposed to be pleasing to your mothers.
And in the UK this is undoubtedly the case. But worldwide, Alkaline and Thug are more popular than Styles or Eilish. And this is interesting. Even in the early 10s lex luger type trap beats, and autotune proliferated in such a way that noone really remembers ST Vincent anymore. Music moves much faster than Gus' interest in it, much faster than any of our interests really.
And in the UK this is undoubtedly the case. But worldwide, Alkaline and Thug are more popular than Styles or Eilish. And this is interesting. Even in the early 10s lex luger type trap beats, and autotune proliferated in such a way that noone really remembers ST Vincent anymore. Music moves much faster than Gus' interest in it, much faster than any of our interests really.
but then again I'm neither a poptimist nor a rocker, which both rely on the declassé democracy of consumers as an amorphous mass to validate their rhetorical positions. The music I like wasn't relevant at the time and todays music I find relevant I wouldn't expect to be relevant to bourgeois subculture in 20 years time. It does mean escaping out of the pop matrix though.
Which is not to say I don't love pop, but my listening isn't solely shaped by the pop impulse.
Which is not to say I don't love pop, but my listening isn't solely shaped by the pop impulse.
forclosure
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no but i'll be honest you calling bad guy "hot" gives me the creeps
forclosure
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i mean even the way you hear fully grown adults talk about their pets (and on the flipside the sometimes flippant ways i've heard same people talk about how much they HATE and detest children)
and this general focus on calling certain things and people "wholesome"
forclosure
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i was telling a guy about the E-40 and The Click not too long ago and when i told him about how they were all family he was like "oh that's so wholesome" and i just blurted out loud "THE CLICK? WHOLESOME?"
shakahislop
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that's what it's going for isn't it? that's what that songs trying to do on an affective level.
often in english derived cultures there's a kind of nauseating inability to think in a systematic structural sense, to listen to music as part of a scientific, alchemical quest. Which is why the central assumption of most music criticism is that something is worth consideration solely because it is popular. Well, not on its own no. Only if you bring other sonic determinants of rhythm, timbre, dynamics, production into it. Otherwise it's just democratic philistinism. Jungle wasn't worth consideration because it was popular/populist, it was worth consideration because it was doing things with sound which hadn't been done before in that context. That it was popular or had populist impulses is and was incidental to that, because those impulses were always temporally delineated.