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Chtonic Fatigue Syndrome
Undistorted but forebodingly heavy bassline:
The Heavy
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padraig (u.s.)
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I guess I'm obligated to respond to this
you do confuse intensity (and recording quality) with heaviness
in that your definition of heaviness seems to be something like "overwhelmed by sound" without any limit on what type of sound
feedback, great explosions of notes, violent tempo changes, etc - in fact, anything but the single defining quality of heaviness, i.e. weight
and/or you're saying that all of these things constitute weight in their own way, and thus heaviness
obviously maximalism (speed, complication, intensity) is your thing and, as with Sunn O))), I respect the singularity of vision
but it's not a definition of heaviness that I think most people, including myself, would accept or find useful
I know you don't really believe in zones of fruitless intensification, but maximalism != weight
I do agree that gut vs intellect is a false dichotomy
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
it seems quite difficult to be heavy and intense at the same time - there is usually some kind of tradeoff of one for the other
but heaviness is also a subset of intensity, so they have a complicated relationship which isn't fully clear to me
but heaviness is also a subset of intensity, so they have a complicated relationship which isn't fully clear to me
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I was going to post this actually, as an example of something that is heavy without meeting some traditional hallmarks of heaviness
it's not only that the bassline is cavernous, it's also that they just hammer that one riff, the anguished razor throat gargle shrieking
that whole 7" is fucking killer. if more screamo sounded more like this - like hardcore Slint - I'd be more into it.
their later stuff is tilts too post-rock vs hardcore for me, tho executed at very high level
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
in fact the singer says it is about childhood in a live version on one of their other records
or I think that's what he's saying, I've never been able to quite make it out, but it also tracks with the lyrics
this live version also kills it. last song.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
this kind of follows in the same vein
the kings of 80s hardcore-adjacent 1st gen noise rock misanthropy and nihilist bad vibes
a case is inseparable from the lyrics and their vocal delivery
among other things it's kind of the logical conclusion of PIL's declaration of death disco
what you always want noise rock to be like but which it so rarely attains
Eyehategood essentially takes this, crosses it with Sabbath, turns the loathing inward, and adds dope
the kings of 80s hardcore-adjacent 1st gen noise rock misanthropy and nihilist bad vibes
a case is inseparable from the lyrics and their vocal delivery
among other things it's kind of the logical conclusion of PIL's declaration of death disco
what you always want noise rock to be like but which it so rarely attains
Eyehategood essentially takes this, crosses it with Sabbath, turns the loathing inward, and adds dope
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Godflesh copped the title "Like Rats" from a line of a song on No Trend's LP (which is also very good), btw
true noise rock pantheon lineage
true noise rock pantheon lineage
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
one thing that I do agree with that people have posted is Les Rallizes Desnudes
a case where heaviness is achieved primarily feedback - anchored on melody - rather than bass weight
the squalling noise freakout at 11 minutes
a case where heaviness is achieved primarily feedback - anchored on melody - rather than bass weight
the squalling noise freakout at 11 minutes
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
DJ Screw, also
whereas heaviness often crushes you, Screw is like being enfolded in an infinitely deep abyss of cotton gauze
the weight of the ocean overhead
whereas heaviness often crushes you, Screw is like being enfolded in an infinitely deep abyss of cotton gauze
the weight of the ocean overhead
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
this is a very good French drone thing - essentially the motorik drone element of Velvet Underground pursued as an end in itself
using a hurdy-gurdy - like the sitar, a perfectly made drone instrument - instead of guitar and Cale's viola
using a hurdy-gurdy - like the sitar, a perfectly made drone instrument - instead of guitar and Cale's viola
nah, a lot of speedcore is fast and intense, but without being heavy. you can trance out to it, because its mostly a kick running at 240 and above.
Which is my point. weight only works when its disruptive. Or to be more exact: without friction and torque you can't have heaviness. Sabbath is precisely heavy because of the grungy blues tone and strong backbeats, like one has in funk. I always saw Sabbath as the best of the British Blues band more than a metal band a la Judas Priest.
anyway I'm fucking fed up of people emulating the gallaghers in this really obnoxious way on here. Gonna take a little break I think. Have some finesse, and see you in a while!
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yes, precisely. Or at least, in the mythos of popular and rock music. There are for instance certain traditional ottoman and arabic classical ideas which are weighty, certain types of more melancholic melodies played at slower tempos, more stately, less ebullient. But to people unfamiliar with the tones and the forms they are unlikely to seem at all heavy.
Lıke I wouldn't be able to convince you that this is heavy in relation to Blue Cheer or Black Sabbath, (which it isn't) but it is heavy on its own terms, within the said tradition.
Which is why I was totally confused by juxtaposition of Kate Bush with Electric Wizard
i do really like this song, and appreciate the quite dissensus move of putting it into a list like this, but it does seem a bit of a stretch. although now i listen to it, those vocal breathy sounds about 1.20 are quite like noise/black metal vocals
bassbeyondreason
Chtonic Fatigue Syndrome
EHG obviously great but Buzzoven were heavier and nastier:
woops
is not like other people
is this dean blunt
shakahislop
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grime would normally be a place to look for intensity rather than heaviness but there's something chaotic and heavy on this one, particularly on the syer verse at the end. i think it clips a bit which adds to that effect. weirdly for grime it has that full frequency spectrum thing going on, syer's voice is fairly high, there's some mid-strings (classic wiley touch) and a deep bassline with a bit of a groove to it
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I like the tunes that dramatise the splintering, fracturing, shard-shooting effect of their own heaviness; being mastered louder than anything else on the planet also helps: