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wiley and skepta were also on it - skepta supporting the clean up in tottenham etc... elijah was sharp as usual

acid at the end of the universe

but without the middle it would be a fairly interchangable 8 bar grime track which could have been made at any period in the last 8 years - the middle is what twists it.

yeah i don't think anyone's denying that some of it's pretty good. spartan's definitely grime though no? silo pass is great - it's got some energy and its also pretty much a grime track too though? - although he builds some richer synthy keys into it.

i don't think it was literal - and also her music is very emotional when you get inside it and played in the dancefloor imho - moreso than this rather more formal concept of pastoral rising chords and choir like voices and all that lark, designed to make you feel like you're at a royal wedding...

ltj bukem? early idm ?

but ukg had a whole load of things that it did and things it pioneered - esp in the kind of black atlantic way - it pretty much became a uk equivalent of timbaland etc - esp in terms of rhythmic science - i mean this was probably a result of jungle but there was nothing before that treated...

well you probably wouldn't play in the first place anyway the wearing of masks and phoney anonymity is just one part of this kinda erstaz no hype thing, i guess it's partly trying to recreate a time when you would never know what a producer on a dance record looked like, you'd just have a name...

yeah sorry ok not the main course then. the music you hear in a lift going somewhere better.

one thing i find hilarious how these post dubstep or whatever guys are obsessed with this false idea that they're 'avoiding hype' - it's like hype-balls - "To xxxx, hype is irrelevant. You only have to look at their latest, and arguably, most high profile release for evidence. The radio rip of...

sure - and i wasn't talking about that - but the hcc is eastend music more or less - so discussing the tooings and throoings of the eastend is a good way to discuss it without entering into some kind of discussion of imagining what post dubstep and funky producers are thinking. essex stretches...

ahh i think its the effect of the east london line - i was on the same train as a pair of dealers on friday coming from south east london - and ended up going to the same rave as them, they were the life and soul of the party - one was the dictionary definition of a wide boy, it was excellent...

cheers boss.

what could potentially kill london is this rather severe swing on it's axis it's currently undergoing - shoreditch / dalston is becoming a second wing of the west end - the heart of the eastend has to be cater for wealthier tastes because of it's closeness to the city- but this means closing...

and they moved to london too, lots of folk from nyc etc - to the east end and then moved back and formed bands and labels etc...is it that not staying true to your locality could be part of the problem really?

no worries - nyc is somewhere where hipsterism has created some interesting music though - all those ppl out in williamsburg etc - but they're not interested in nyc dance music - they're into the brit stuff, hardly any of those people are native new yorkers too - they're just a giant network...

sorry i always go back to my posts and edit them, often to try and avoid being rude but also i had to take something out the oven. why did new york rot away musically though i mean in terms of exciting music with guitars in it and people singing - it's thriving - or was a couple years ago...

wow - it's impressive you found nastiness in that statement! you must really be looking for it lol. ridiculous !

well no not really we are talking about cities afterall. Also i'm not actually criticising anyone it's something that's just become the credo of the music section on this site and it's hard to speak about anything without it being the thing - like someone saying 'dont think about windows' and...