i think the secrecy thing is cool as long as it doesnt become shtick. like, devine recordings seemed to just do it naturally (out of paranoia really) and guys like loefah or coki were also just not really into doing loads of press or being 'seen', they genuinely wanted to stay in the background, which is diff from trying to contrive a burial like level of mystique when really youre just dying to be more famous.
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The Dubstep scene back a few years ago seemed quite a honest scene to me. I don't remember any secrecy or PR stunts, well at least not ones that didnt seem like genuinely trying to avoid the spot light.
You could definitely argue that part DMZ's success was down to the mysterious / vinyl only / limited press vibe. I guess thats what a lot of people are trying to re-create now, but definitely not as honestly.
I think one notable thing atm is the amount of terrible remixes by supposedly good artists, people are definitely remixing for more than music's sake. Although thats no new thing I know.
You could definitely argue that part DMZ's success was down to the mysterious / vinyl only / limited press vibe. I guess thats what a lot of people are trying to re-create now, but definitely not as honestly.
I think one notable thing atm is the amount of terrible remixes by supposedly good artists, people are definitely remixing for more than music's sake. Although thats no new thing I know.
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
One way of looking at the secret identity thing is that it's a bit of a cart-before-the-horse situation - that back in the day (usually 1st / 2nd wave detroit techno, hardcore / early jungle or classic UKG depending on who you asked) there were loads of amazing tunes coming out from anonymous producers and it was cool and something that doesn't happen so much now, but that people now try to consciously recreate that by 'being anonymous', whereas at the time it was a combination of there not being the channels of information to find out all about a given producer, and people just not really caring.
But then there's also the more conceptual thing that's always been an undercurrent in slightly artsy electronic music, and I think Gumdrops is right that it can be part of the fun if the whole thing is done well (ie if the music's up to scratch), or quite annoying if it looks like a gimmick.
But then there's also the more conceptual thing that's always been an undercurrent in slightly artsy electronic music, and I think Gumdrops is right that it can be part of the fun if the whole thing is done well (ie if the music's up to scratch), or quite annoying if it looks like a gimmick.
but thats not a new thing is it - its just classic music marketing. like how the arctic monkeys and lilly allen were all hyped as myspace-supported bands who got a following from there purely but i think they (allen at least) had contracts before/while they were uploading songs to myspace? i suppose the real flaw is just when its blatantly bollocks and the PR ppl havent done a good enough job in hiding the machinery behind the PR assault (or a few emailed press releases or whatever) and the musicians involved just sound completely insincere. but i like a bit of secrecy. i dont need to know much about ill blu or funkstepz. i just like their music. if they had something interesting to say well that would be cool but they probably dont. zomby meanwhile seems able to be enigmatic and stealthy while also doing quite revealing interviews, albeit ones that seem to just create even more enigma cos you have no idea what is true and what isnt (he must be an afx fan innit).
re zomby is or not p-ds.. "being" postdubstep is almost as old as dubstep.. in that post is as much response to the thing, as it is a broader timeline point.
so imo zombys always been that and so's hyperdub mostly (quarta samiyam etc). if we are to legitimize the term by asking whither or not. tbh this shit makes my mouth feel dirty.
joe muggs was using the term to incorporate ras g, i guess he means it for all things bass heavy due to dubstep's possible influence.
so imo zombys always been that and so's hyperdub mostly (quarta samiyam etc). if we are to legitimize the term by asking whither or not. tbh this shit makes my mouth feel dirty.
joe muggs was using the term to incorporate ras g, i guess he means it for all things bass heavy due to dubstep's possible influence.
bandshell
Grand High Witch
On the whole anonymity/mask wearing thing. What about people with anxiety issues etc?
Personally, I'd feel more comfortable playing out if I had a mask on. Although, what with the stigma surrounding it, I'd probably find it became another source of discomfort.
More often than not, it does seem like 'part of the act' but I imagine there are people who do it for other reasons.
Personally, I'd feel more comfortable playing out if I had a mask on. Although, what with the stigma surrounding it, I'd probably find it became another source of discomfort.
More often than not, it does seem like 'part of the act' but I imagine there are people who do it for other reasons.
FairiesWearBoots
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ha, he does seem to have burnt a few bridges along the way,
i like it tho' his abrasiveness is part of the appeal
yh I want to hear it too, actually one of those times where I'll spend money on a CD,
(I gladly spend money on vinyl but dont seem to do the same for digital)
i like it tho' his abrasiveness is part of the appeal
yh I want to hear it too, actually one of those times where I'll spend money on a CD,
(I gladly spend money on vinyl but dont seem to do the same for digital)
absolutely. we need more punky shit-stirring in this music. too much friendliness gets boring
the album is amazing. panda bear can fuck off tho
juanroberto
Reprezenting the Latinos
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Reprezenting the Latinos
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Reprezenting the Latinos
ZOMBY and APHEX are the same person!!!!!!
Aphex twin is also Burial he just has tricked you all with the Will "I was sad cos my dog died' Bevan stuff
juanroberto
Reprezenting the Latinos
It can quite easily sound bolted on or self consious... Thats not to say that it was created in a certain way, but sometimes to a listener, you can feel if things have almost been forced.. I also think its more of a comment to do with the fact that producers tend to hop on trends quite quickly.. They have heard a few tracks with a diva vocal and think I could do that and shove one on top of a beat.. As opposed to constructing a tune devoid of that influence.. I don't think that is always possible, but it just shows how on trend a lot of producers are..
Drum and bass used to get slated for being boring and samey, mid range wall of sound bass and consistent rhythms with not much variety. (i didn't believe that because if you looked deeper you found some very very good music) However the whole 130/post dub/indie step/future garage whatever the fuck its called, follows a lot of those tropes. Rhythmically its varied, but certain elements repeat, diva vocals being one of them, then on to slowed grooves, and then the whole juke rip-offs...
I mean Ramadanman's Rod Lee edit and a bunch of his juke style stuff isn't disimilar from Cybotron's Clear... I don't know why that gets to me, but it does.
Squarepusher is good man, and so is a lot of IDM.. DNTEL, rephlex stuff, some aphex, a bit of tycho, album leaf... but then again I'm half American.