shakahislop
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I suppose I do find it a bit offputting that they're more or less saying that they'd prefer it if I didn't show up to thier thing. You need a pretty strong justification to do that I think.
Well you are committing a fairly serious case of 'digital blackface', Mr Shaka Hislop...I suppose I do find it a bit offputting that they're more or less saying that they'd prefer it if I didn't show up to thier thing. You need a pretty strong justification to do that I think.
I dunno the sentiment is pretty weird. what is it actually asking people to do.. be uncomfortable? lol it's not saying anything concrete ('be aware of how you move') but is more like a passive aggressive attempt to instil a sense of shame in their own customers. which I guess is part of the appeal for self-flagellating americansThe language is more off putting than the sentiment. Wonder when this particular tone and syntax will go out of fashion.
I fink the problem is some people actually do need reminding of very basic things. It's like dealing with an autist (except in this case, there's little justification) in that you're explaining something somewhat obvious (ie. be respectful and don't make other people uncomfortable).I meant more that an event geared towards people who aren't white doesn't bother me, but the precious, passive aggressive, HR language is really grating in a way that being like "Look, this is our thing," or whatever, isn't.
This segregationist mindset is not helpful to anybody.Theoretically, I understand on the other hand, I would just feel silly going there. But then perhaps I would also feel silly going to one of thos Amapiano in the Park events with my flemmish flatmate, even though he really wants to.
I fink the problem is some people actually do need reminding of very basic things. It's like dealing with an autist (except in this case, there's little justification) in that you're explaining something somewhat obvious (ie. be respectful and don't make other people uncomfortable).
I think the aggression is coming from the front of organising events that become widely regarded as "cool" at some point or take place at more high street venues, where you would randomly get a bunch of coked up lads (of whatever skin colour actually) that are unaware of basic club etiquette. It's upsetting you have to talk about things so basic.
I remember seeing some nights in London being ticketed separately if you're a straight guy and that's already a bit funny, but I think they want to discourage a specific kind of crowd by doing so. 8 quid if you're queer, 15 if you're straight. "I'm bicurious can you do a tenner perhaps"?
The drift is that the territory is for this event under the control of some other tribe, and the vagueness of the warning is meant to convey how it feels to be an outsider in that situation i.e. one is aware that there are rules but not quite what the rules are exactly. Maybe this is a clever way to show the majority how minorities feel or maybe it's a clever way to tell minorities how they should be feeling during the 360 non-festival days, and that the dynamic is to be accepted in both cases.I meant more that an event geared towards people who aren't white doesn't bother me, but the precious, passive aggressive, HR language is really grating in a way that being like "Look, this is our thing," or whatever, isn't.
what is the amapiano in the park and why would you feel silly?Theoretically, I understand on the other hand, I would just feel silly going there. But then perhaps I would also feel silly going to one of thos Amapiano in the Park events with my flemmish flatmate, even though he really wants to.
yeah you're basically right. finding a way to stop the coked up gropey lads is for sure a much discussed issue in nyc clubland. house of yes for example is by all accounts much degraded because it got so well known and the people who don't know what they're doing / have different concepts of what a club should be started coming over there. I think people have learned from that experience. the 'proper' brooklyn clubs have various ways of dealing with it (basement = strict door, nowadays = the speech on the door and chucking people out). also all of them benefit from being a massive pain in the arse to get to. and actually it does work. there's one megaclub (avant gardener \ mirage) which doesn't bother with this and serves the purpose of absorbing the mainstream lads who want to give Brooklyn clubbing a go. knockdown center is kind of in between those two poles and is massive with big name techno bookingsI fink the problem is some people actually do need reminding of very basic things. It's like dealing with an autist (except in this case, there's little justification) in that you're explaining something somewhat obvious (ie. be respectful and don't make other people uncomfortable).
I think the aggression is coming from the front of organising events that become widely regarded as "cool" at some point or take place at more high street venues, where you would randomly get a bunch of coked up lads (of whatever skin colour actually) that are unaware of basic club etiquette. It's upsetting you have to talk about things so basic.
life is short. go to Amapiano in the Park.Theoretically, I understand on the other hand, I would just feel silly going there. But then perhaps I would also feel silly going to one of thos Amapiano in the Park events with my flemmish flatmate, even though he really wants to.
Bouncers are allowed to use violence, so I don't know why there's this timidity in the language. It's like being spoken to by a robot therapist.
maybe it's a clever way to tell minorities how they should be feeling during the 360 non-festival days, and that the dynamic is to be accepted in both cases.
I expect if you manage not to absent-mindedly throw a Hitler salute or loudly wonder whether slavery was all that bad really, you'll probably be fine.Imagine reading this if you're mentally disabled and you are already always concerned about social blunders - now you feel even more nervous about going out, but you now feel even further marginalized by these people that are supposedly so concerned about social justice (but it seems only ever when it seems to come to race/sex/lgbtq+) because you feel like one unintentional social blunder might blow up in your face
I expect if you manage not to absent-mindedly throw a Hitler salute or loudly wonder whether slavery was all that bad really, you'll probably be fine.