Kuedo

[wise]

This is better

 

[muser]

I can't really believe hes trying to say its not retrofuturist, even if you ignore how it sounds hes using old 80's synths and saying he was influenced by Vangelis.. I dunno I guess if you're looking at futurism as some thing that can have only existed on analog /early digital synths in 80's scifi films (which I guess to some extent was one of the most popular times for futurism) then maybe you can say thats it.

The big difference is in 80's those sounds were futuristic because synthesized music still sounded pretty alien to people, now they sound (or more fit into the category of) futuristic because we associate them with 80's sci fi films.

 

[muser]

I think its a great album though, and to be fair I can sort of understand why he wouldnt want to be branding it as retrofuturism as it sort of devalues it a bit.

 

[CrowleyHead]

@muser; but at the same time, how's he supposed to differentiate what his or Vangelis' "Futures" are supposed to sound like? I entirely get everything you're saying, but at the same time he has a preconceived notion of what sounds futuristic to him, inspired by what others have already done. How does one deviate from that?

 

[muser]

@Muser; but at the same time, how's he supposed to differentiate what his or Vangelis' "Futures" are supposed to sound like? I entirely get everything you're saying, but at the same time he has a preconceived notion of what sounds futuristic to him, inspired by what others have already done. How does one deviate from that?

Well I dont know really, I'm defintitely not trying to say anyone should either. Despite the fact futurism has been thrown around alot the past few years I dont think its really as part of our mentality or really a drive behind certain music in the way it was. As in music that really sets out to sound like or represent "the future".

The Glitch movement, Oval and then things like Alva Noto/ Raster-noton stuff is the most recent kind of sound I can think of that evokes a futurist feel, the sort of sound of being inside a laptop or travelling along a data stream. But I'm not sure if "futurism" actually was/is part of their mantra really, or reliably what it would represent to someone who listened to it either. It could be as much seen as inspiration from abstract ideas behind current technology.

So I guess your right whose to say that if those soundsets evoke ideas of futurism, and inspire people, that they aren't just straight up futurism. Provided that ideas of futurism don't progress relative to time, which I think is probably true. Its more of a mythology and then ascribing that to music it needs new future-mythologies and new inspirations to create new sonic ideas to tie in and for people to relate to.

 

[grizzleb]

classic!

Did you like my luka impression. Does he like oasis? I can imagine it. He's easily the most earnest dissensian. That's not a bad thing.

 

[wise]

now they sound (or more fit into the category of) futuristic because we associate them with 80's sci fi films.

Well that's Retro-Futurism

 

[wise]

I think he should just embrace it.

Part of the reason the album sounds so good is that it's so unashamed sonically.
It's loud & proud,
HEAR MY SYNTHS!!! I LOVED BLADERUNNER!!!

Most producers feel the need to hide their theft by using myriad sources/layers.
Dance music is built on theft & appropriation & nostalgia.
That's why it's so great

 

[wise]

 

[wise]

Actually this one is probably more effective as the 'Futuristic' vibes aren't spoiled by the images of all the old long hairs.

Ideally just shut your eyes I think

 

[wise]

this one's lovely

 

[wise]

Planet Mu servers seem to be straining, bought wavs of the Kuedo download estimated 22 days to complete....

 

[Leo]

Retro download speeds?

yes, only available via dial-up connection. dig out those modems (...btw, i sometimes miss the sounds of those things when the connection and "handshake" was made.)

 

[wise]

Track 5 Scissors has a big lift from Carly Simon's Why (as covered by Glamma Kid & Shola Ama)

took me ages to remember what the melody was from

 

[gumdrops]

i love how the melody line in the 'why' track just come in abruptly like he just punched it in without caring about it coming in properly

this is still my album of the year... i thought i would get bored of it but i havent.

good to see dabrye get a top 20 list on factmag btw. i think kuedo has obv listened to quite a bit of dabrye, even though hes got his own style. if anyone was to remix tracks from this album, i think it should be dabrye or el-p (i prob already said this).

 

[nochexxx]

listening to this album loads, mainly in the bath or last thing at night. it helps me relax lol. i like the flightyness of the beats. good contruction.

can anyone point me towards decent examples of ‘trap’ music? its south style rap right?

 

[Corpsey]

Think I'm right in saying its mostly Atlanta based rap music (''Trap'' = Trap-House - a place where they'll serve you through the burglar bars). Main producers I can think of...



[Young Jeezy - ''Thug Motivation'' LP + ''Trap Or Die'' mixtape. SHAWTY REDD + DRUMMA BOY production.]



[Waka Flocka Flame - ''Flockaveli'' LP + loads of mixtapes i.e. ''Lebron Flocka James'' series. LEX LUGER production on the first, not actually sure about ''Luv That Gun Sound'']



[Gucci Mane - Multiple mixtapes i.e. ''Burrprint 3D'', ''Gangsta Grillz: The Movie'' ZAYTOVEN production on these ones]


[FATBOI production]

Definitely not have-a-bath music.

 

[CrowleyHead]

Don't forget Drumma Boi production.

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I'm done.

 

[nochexxx]

ta very much!

 

[Corpsey]

Have been listening to 'Severant' a bit over the last few days and I have to say its a really great album. I think I was inaccurate to classify it as a retro exercise. The sounds being used are vintage but the influence of rap production is much more pronounced than I expected. The drum patterns especially. The darting, faintly baroque synths are also somewhat Luger-derived - only they've become gentle and soaring, as opposed to aggressive and hysteric...

I think this is better than the Zomby album. Haven't heard the Rustie album yet, which seems to be the other big-hitter, electronic instrumental LP wise.