audible seams in deliberate reaction to the Xanax Zone

[version]

I can't wait for Carol to see what's happened to her thread.

 

[thirdform]

what does productive dissent look like in these threads? any particularly successful examples?

not to imply im not interested or sympathetic to a classic luka and barty back and forth though

Pretty much every thread you see us trying to get off the ground and make productive he'll be trying to rubbish it and close it down by ranting crying writing gibberish posting irrelevant youtubes making bizzare accusations weird paranoid nonsense and scab picking in his ceaseless war of attrition against the very possibility of anything good from being created

I actually like Future and Huncho jack etc etc. I just like it in the context of radio pop music. that's what offends the bord so much. If I didn't like it like you or corpse or even patty then you wouldn't be saying any of this. what offends people is I'm coming in here and saying it's really not that deep and its pure modular music that just occupies an ambient zone. that goes against both the continuum (and soul/authenticity) orthodoxy of the mainstream being something the underground is in perpetual dialogue with. that simbiotic relationship between the two is much less overt these days.

As for the imperialist stooge comment: obviously I've never accused you of such a thing but you can't tell me with a straight face that Queen or even Kate Bush back in the day weren't kitschy. Kitsch has been a cornerstone of popular music for over 50 years. really nothing that hasn't been said by your Adornos or Ben Watsons or Prhynn's. otherwise why should I care what music you enjoy? For crying out loud you're grasping for the most uncharitable reading of everything I've said here.

maybe when I make a joke/quip, which is all that was, you might do well not to jump to lad defence mode. noone is threatening your missus. Respectfully, for someone who is infatuated with drugs you can behave like the most obnoxious straight edger sometimes.

Anyway I did say I'm leaving this thread but just wanted to put my final salvo out there before leaving as I'm sure it will move on. I'm not one to stand on legs here but the lad banter vibe of said productive threads before I join in can be offputting.

 

[thirdform]

I don't go and try and sabotage his confeld Facebook group I just look at it and go cool third is the boss and he's running the show and his crowd love it that's great

actually I wouldn't mind if you contributed. some of the berlin techno love in there has to be exterminated.

 

[sadmanbarty]

 

[luka]

I'm sorry you don't like the lad banter but the place is not specifically engineered with you in mind it's the sum total of its interactions no one is thinking how can I make third feel totally comfortable they're expressing themselves and it's not exactly Romford town centre on a Friday night is it

 

[luka]

actually I wouldn't mind if you contributed. some of the berlin techno love in there has to be exterminated.

I'd contribute if I had anything useful to add but it's not my zone is it. It's druggy dance music. I don't know anything about it.

 

[thirdform]

people think I'm some university undergraduate communist and just I don't know what to say seriously lads you know I'd be cancelled in an instant and often have done in such spaces. Yeah my politics are pro working class, fine, hand on heart, that doesn't mean I'm recycling some socialist worker line from 1999.

 

[thirdform]

I'm sorry you don't like the lad banter but the place is not specifically engineered with you in mind it's the sum total of its interactions no one is thinking how can I make third feel totally comfortable they're expressing themselves and it's not exactly Romford town centre on a Friday night is it

luke just let this cult shit go it's exasperating.

 

[luka]

I really don't care if you don't like Bartys music, literally nobody likes Bartys music but it's quite fun to think about and play with

 

[luka]

I dunno what you mean about the cult you're always banging on about either

 

[thirdform]

I'd contribute if I had anything useful to add but it's not my zone is it. It's druggy dance music. I don't know anything about it.

All the music repped on this forum is druggy.

 

[thirdform]

I really don't care if you don't like Bartys music, literally nobody likes Bartys music but it's quite fun to think about and play with

I don't mind it. you want me to dislike it to play with it contemptuously and I just can't be fucked. it's peak hipsterism.

 

[luka]

This is what I mean though you are always accusing people of liking the music they like of some deep character flaw or something. It's always cos they're white fetishisers or hipsters or reactionaries. You don't want to think or talk about the music then don't let us get on with doing the thing that spe like doing and don't piss on our chips

 

[luka]

Maybe they have valid pure hearted sincere reasons for liking the music they like and it's ok. No jihad necessary.

 

[thirdform]

you sspoke about the hidden warlike and attacking mechanisms of language and linguistics a year ago now I think. ducking and thrusting, insults, putdowns, narcissism and sarcasm buried under every interaction. 'play' can be like that too. that doesn't negate the role of fun, but maybe you need to be a better team mate and stop pulling a Xhaka.

 

[thirdform]

This is what I mean though you are always accusing people of liking the music they like of some deep character flaw or something. It's always cos they're white fetishisers or hipsters or reactionaries. You don't want to think or talk about the music then don't let us get on with doing the thing that spe like doing and don't piss on our chips

'music is cancelled'

and no, I'm talking about the type of value set you're trying to force on me (ironic contempt) of being hipster, not the music you like. are you on drugs tonight?

 

[luka]

I don't want to argue with you all night third. I like you and I admire you but I get very upset when you sabotage things. I had to express my frustration cos we had something going and you put a stop to it this evening and it spoiled everyone's fun. Specially mine. And I have to say something cos I don't like it when my fun gets spoiled.

 

[thirdform]

Maybe they have valid pure hearted sincere reasons for liking the music they like and it's ok. No jihad necessary.

can say the same for post-dubstep and you'd be raging about how people are satisfied with the inferior and the ersatz. come on mate.

 

[sadmanbarty]

You don't have to respond. You can just carry on talking to everyone else. I'd say the same to third if something you do annoys him. There's no obligation to engage with it.

all i would say is that of the four users who i'd consider having been honed in on by third, three of us have lost our tempers with him on the forum multiple times and the other one was chased off the forum for a month and has now got third's posts muted so they don't even see them.

maybe it doesn't look as frustrating on the outside, but for all four of us to have such reactions does suggest it's not just a case of me being too susceptible to provocation.

 

[thirdform]

I don't want to argue with you all night third. I like you and I admire you but I get very upset when you sabotage things. I had to express my frustration cos we had something going and you put a stop to it this evening and it spoiled everyone's fun. Specially mine. And I have to say something cos I don't like it when my fun gets spoiled.

perhaps. but don't think you weren't overprojecting, jumping to the most uncharitable conclusions before barty said relax, we're all good things are a bit overheated.