IdleRich
IdleRich
Negligible then?Ok, so say early lockdown would have saved 20,000 people who were largely confined to quarters anyway - that's 1 in 3000 people.
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Negligible then?Ok, so say early lockdown would have saved 20,000 people who were largely confined to quarters anyway - that's 1 in 3000 people.
That's easy to say if it's not your parents/grandparents dying in horrific pain while hooked up to a ventilator.Ok, so say early lockdown would have saved 20,000 people who were largely confined to quarters anyway - that's 1 in 3000 people.
That's easy to say if it's not your parents/grandparents dying in horrific pain while hooked up to a ventilator.
And I've just made the argument a few posts ago that starting lockdown a few weeks earlier might have made it possible to end lockdown several months earlier. So even if you don't care about deaths at all, that is surely an important economic consideration?
Why, though? The stark fact is that this disease is not affecting all countries equally, or even nearly equally. The UK was rated as recently as last year as being one of the best-prepared countries in the world for dealing with a pandemic of this sort, even after a decade of concerted attacks on the NHS and the scientific and medical establishment. Yet for a while we had the second-highest death toll of any country, until we were overtaken by a developing country with about three times our population. I don't think this is "just one of those things".
The pandemic has been a health test for countries, in every sense. We've done badly because the country is generally weak: top-heavy with the elderly (like Italy), a high proportion of people who don't take care of themselves (eg. Boris), dysfunctional health system, corrupt elites, too much money swilling around doing nothing of value but lending itself to this corruption, disastrous media stuffed with intellectual mediocrities and beholden to the government, sluggish and poor decision-making, credulous and supine public.
And meanwhile Trump is selling magic beans from the Resolute Desk... it's twat and the mushroom stalk.According to the Johns Hopkins University tracker, which relies on official government data, the US has recorded a startling 77,300 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours.
This is the highest one-day total for the pandemic so far. The US has consistently broken one-day records in recent days, but this is by a fairly wide margin.
10 July marked the last global record increase, with 67,800 new cases in the US.
Lewis has been banging this drum on Twitter and FB for months. His position is that the government wants us all to panic unnecessarily, wants us to think they've done a far worse job of keeping us safe than they have, and that the lockdown - which has cost many billions of pounds to businesses from small independent shops to major airlines - is being forced on us, on the false pretence of the pandemic, because of capitalism... somehow.b) The government is lying about how serious the virus is and how many people have died through their incompetence. They are greatly OVERSTATING those numbers cos they don't want anyone to spot the truth, which is that lockdown was not necessary and they are so afraid of being sued for lost earnings they would rather dishonestly accept the blame for thousands of deaths.
The pandemic has been a health test for countries, in every sense. We've done badly because the country is generally weak: top-heavy with the elderly (like Italy)...
The UK, it may suprise you, is actually one of Europe's more youthful countries, and 41st overall - its residents are 40.4 years old, on average. The US (37.6 years) comes 63rd.
These stats are from three years ago:That was from 2014 and doesn't give the proportion of the elderly.
Probably none I'd expect if it turns out to be like every other long forgotten breathless announcement of over-counting which has been made over the last few months... but if there are loads then why is Hancock revealing it when - according to you - it should be exactly what he wants in that it is overstating the number of deaths and making the government look like they killed more people.They are counting people who die of natural causes as coronavirus deaths if they tested positive at any time previously. Not clear how many deaths were recorded in this way
To be fair, I think you're more of a fanboy of the government than I am, as you think lockdown was a good idea.
I'm still reeling from these two claims made on the last couple of pages.
a) The government did make a mistake in delaying lockdown by a week as SAGE requested but it wasn't that serious cos it (that single error) only caused the avoidable deaths of on in 3,000 of the UK population
b) The government is lying about how serious the virus is and how many people have died through their incompetence. They are greatly OVERSTATING those numbers cos they don't want anyone to spot the truth, which is that lockdown was not necessary and they are so afraid of being sued for lost earnings they would rather dishonestly accept the blame for thousands of deaths.
To me those are absolutely fucking way out there batshit crazy ideas but they passed with almost no remark. Am I going mad or am I in the upisde-down or what?
Well it's not a competition to see who hates the government the most. My main point is that your critique of the government revolves around the idea that they have lied to us to make us think the situation is far worse than it really is. This is not what governments do. What government actively strives to look bad and make itself unpopular? And if the argument is some sort of conspiracy theory that it's to justify the lockdown, then why were they so reluctant to introduce the lockdown in the first place? And who exactly does it benefit? Nobody is making money out of this, in fact everyone is losing money hand over fist.To be fair, I think you're more of a fanboy of the government than I am, as you think lockdown was a good idea.
As explained several times, the WHO method seems the most reasonable way to count it - especially now that Italian investigation has concluded thst more than ninety percent of such deaths were directly caused by c19, and almost thirty percent of those deaths were people with absolutely no underlying condition.As explained before, the govt are constrained by the WHO reporting requirements for all /with cases (that otherwise would not be public) and are conceding ground to the fearmongering media to win the larger political battle...if they attempted to minimise deaths they would be crucified