J. H. Prynne

[luka]

and there's great deal in the early poems about patience, the laggardly, the slow moving, the trudge

 

[Benny Bunter]

i actually did read the bulk of maximus in a day, but i was on drugs

So was prynne

 

[Benny Bunter]

You can to a point with the gluttony thing where you don't want to read or (listen to) anything else but you're not really enjoying it anymore - addiction basically.

 

[luka]

you have to be aware of the limits of your attention with all these things.

 

[luka]

attention and arousal.

 

[luka]

go to a gallery you might be able to give your attention to 2 or 3 paintings, at anything more than a derisory level of engagement. realistically.

 

[woops]

I wonder why this has never been taken on board by professional curators, just give people 3 paintings to linger over, less work for everyone else involved too

 

[luka]

well its nice to have a choice

 

[Benny Bunter]

Maybe when you get exasperated trying to take on all this heavy stuff it'd good to just read some mindless potboiler or something instead. Or just something totally different to refresh the palate. Or read/watch/listen to nothing at all.

 

[luka]

and there's great deal in the early poems about patience, the laggardly, the slow moving, the trudge

ive got as far as the common gain, reverted

Those who walk heavily
carry their needs, or lack
of them, by keeping their
eyes directed at the ground
before their feet. They are
said to trudge when in fact their empty thoughts
unroll like a crimson carpet before their
gentle & delicate pace.

I've always liked this one. the street pattern as our maze imposed on unbounded open space
that 'the way is of course speech' that even the eskimo and aborigine have paths they
follow, or they'd die in the wilderness.

you can read it here

to be warm and tired/without some impossible flame in the heart

I’m reading J.H. Prynne’s The White Stones for the first time and while enjoying it, I often find myself feeling lost. I don’t find that a negative response; I have often felt tha…

stephenmcclurg.com

 

[luka]

"In northern latitudes throughout the Pleistocene era, the main determinant of animal and vegetable existence was the advance and retreat of the glaciers. These frequently covered large parts of Europe, Asia and North America with impenetrable ice-sheets, locking up huge quantities of sea water, and reducing average temperatures by 10-12 degrees centigrade and ocean levels by over 350 feet- far below those of modern times. Only when they shrank back, allowing the northward spread of oak and spruce forests, and the sub-Arctic vegetation on which the mammoths and reindeer browsed, was it possible for early humans to live much outside the equatorial regions; and even then it required the discovery of fire, and the ability to sew warm clothing, before they could survive a winter in the rich, but frozen, hunting grounds."

https://centaur.reading.ac.uk/30729/1/g2-roebuck-and-sperling.pdf

 

[Benny Bunter]

Cool!
Looking forward to getting the book and digging into this properly. I listened to rest of that poetry reading this morning and he finished up with a long one called Aristeas in 7 years that sounded brilliant. Greek dude wandering around the dark Cimmerian lands - right up my street.

 

[luka]

Cool!
Looking forward to getting the book and digging into this properly. I listened to rest of that poetry reading this morning and he finished up with a long one called Aristeas in 7 years that sounded brilliant. Greek dude wandering around the dark Cimmerian lands - right up my street.

its here

Poetry

I'm sure Craner posted this before on Dissensus somewhere (it'll probably turn out to be in this thread, but I'm too lazy to check now), but it's amazingly good so it merits the rewind. More sixth form business: SONNET 129 The expense of spirit in a waste of shame Is lust in action; and till...

www.dissensus.com

 

[luka]

some notes here

J. H. Prynne

Try reading and working with Ariestes. There's lots to look up concerning the original myth, the scythians, shamanism etc.

www.dissensus.com

 

[Benny Bunter]

Nice. Gonna wait till the book arrives before I read it. Reminded me of Pound, maybe just because that was the first time I'd seen the word Cimmerian before

 

[luka]

you've not read Conan the Barbarian? you should. brilliant stories.

 

[luka]

Cimmerians

The Cimmerians of the Hyborian Age are the descendents of Atlantean colonists of the Thurian Age. Living on the main Thurian continent, these colonists survived the great Cataclysm which submerged Atlantis and destroyed most of the Thurian civilization. The survivors, at this point reduced to a...

conan.fandom.com

 

[william_kent]

I've just read The Glacial Question, Unsolved

I'm reading this as a love poem to the British mainland, the land as living organism

I particularly liked this phrase:

The striations are part of the heart's
desire

which conflates the striated musculature of the heart with the geological markings caused by glacial movement

 

[luka]

you can understand a huge amount about the white stones by reading Conan lore. the pressures that put the tribes in motion.

 

[luka]

https://centaur.reading.ac.uk/30729/1/g2-roebuck-and-sperling.pdf

have a look at this Kent