Where is the avant-garde?
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- an expensive car driven by a fool beyond psychedelia corpsey's law dribbled by jeremy lin focus on the nipple it's fucking vr porn it's not fucking vr porn its fucking memes living information please abandon this train of thought now politics is downstream of culture sublime decay the g-o-d function the new gothic the people the plasmate the warrior-philosopher
Yeah, I do. I think we're floundering partly due to a lack of serious thought and engagement with anything challenging.
shiels
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I think the main assumption is that visionaries will respond to or use the materials available to produce the effects or worlds they see, and although a futile experiment it’s reasonable to think that Someone of Joyces abilities may not channel them into a Novel today
luka
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this thing about be the best you can be challenge yourself but its only ever about doing bicep curls. pathetic.
mvuent
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can we have another avant garde when a lot of great 20th century stuff still isn't widely accepted? not that art needs to be popular to be culturally important, but what about when the avant garde of 70 years ago is still too avant garde for most people? (thinking of my unpopular electroacoustic thread here for example)
shiels
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it’s because I want to be Jesus that I can say these things!
luka
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of course you can. that's why we won't let corpsey pretend he's some pub bore in a lemon yellow polo shirt, shorts and suede moccasins
luka
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and terrible aesthetic sense.
shiels
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What has peaked?
pattycakes_
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@shiels the avant garde
Right yeah. The thing is, like everything else, there's a gentrification process gone on in art/music et al where you have Kanye West trying to hang out with Alejandro Jodorowski and make far out sneakers. I would love to discover some art circumventing or at least trying to circumvent this but it's hard, because you know what's going on in his head. How can he attach himself to anything that represents something respectable art-wise. Which makes him the genius that everyone keeps telling him he is. Singling out Kanye here because he exemplifies this all pretty perfectly.
Avant garde should stand against all that stuff, right?
Right yeah. The thing is, like everything else, there's a gentrification process gone on in art/music et al where you have Kanye West trying to hang out with Alejandro Jodorowski and make far out sneakers. I would love to discover some art circumventing or at least trying to circumvent this but it's hard, because you know what's going on in his head. How can he attach himself to anything that represents something respectable art-wise. Which makes him the genius that everyone keeps telling him he is. Singling out Kanye here because he exemplifies this all pretty perfectly.
Avant garde should stand against all that stuff, right?
mvuent
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in other words, can you expect much advancement if the following generations haven't caught up to the previous ones? would science have advanced if most people were taught that newton was basically a con artist, and that f=ma was "the emperor's new clothes"?