Are you an atheist?

[constant escape]

You can think of it as mere occupation, which is much more negative, or you can read it as partaking in some cosmic process that very likely could have an end, or a series of ends.

 

[constant escape]

Either way can suffice though, no?

 

[luka]

But when there isn't a ground below you, its always an infinite fall, and always an infinite climb. Winter withers the static soul. The climb is its own end, no?

I get the sense I'm talking in more concrete terms than you are perhaps

 

[constant escape]

Could be, wouldn't be the first time I've made that mistake.

 

[luka]

I mean the higher you climb the more precarious your perch and the more gruesome the consequences of falling

 

[constant escape]

Do you mean that the more you invest into a particular life-direction, the more precarious any deviance from that direction becomes?

 

[sufi]

existence must be made a wee bit easier when you have the answers in a book and when you don’t it’s just god moves in mysterious ways! In fact I’m pretty sure you’ve said similar I’m getting a weird deja vu writing this out


yes

there's no actual instruction manual though - all the books require plenty of interpretation

but there are answers, and also direction. subscribing to organised or personal belief can help with achieving moral/good conduct, in groups and individuals, regardless of doctrine or ritual,

 

[sufi]

I mean, there is science? Not for everything but that does provide a bit of info about why things happen. I don't want to get all Dawkins about it mind.

it's all the same thing, unless you dawkin it

there is of course a common fallacy that religion goes along wth closed minded intolerance, dawkins shows that tendency is equally applicable to "atheists"

 

[constant escape]

Yeah, neither side has exclusive claim to myopia or ignorance there.

 

[constant escape]

I think Gnosis needs a proper revamping.

 

[version]

What comes after postmodernism?

Gnosis

 

[constant escape]

But has it been channeled into a movement, or does it just hang there for anyone willing/capable of pushing their way through to reach it?

 

[shiels]

there's no actual instruction manual though - all the books require plenty of interpretation

but there are answers, and also direction. subscribing to organised or personal belief can help with achieving moral/good conduct, in groups and individuals, regardless of doctrine or ritual,

of course. I’m being pretty simple about it. Part of it is about a community of believers like someone just said. Having others around to believe with, act in accordance with, the ritual and communal acts are beneficial, maybe moreso than any of the content

 

[luka]

of course. I’m being pretty simple about it. Part of it is about a community of believers like someone just said. Having others around to believe with, act in accordance with, the ritual and communal acts are beneficial, maybe moreso than any of the content

That's what you said about dubstep!

 

[shiels]

Did I? When?

 

[luka]

The other night. To defend it from Simons brutal attacks.

 

[luka]

How we invest music with value and meaning etc

 

[constant escape]

Dubstep congregations?

 

[shiels]

suppose that thinking could be applied to most scenes pre dematerialisation. Dubstep did explicitly push religious imagery, meditate on bass weight, there was the stoner church side and there was the granny puncher side. Those were the only options, they weren’t ... but history has erased the nuance

 

[luka]

That does sound quite rough. I'm very keen on the idea of the secular rites of passage teeangers have. Drugs is definitely one of them and fits in with that ancient shamanistic stuff of communing with the divine/the universe as a gateway to adulthood.

It's another of these secularised rituals