IdleRich

IdleRich
"Every will be revealed."
Exactly. But it seems that the Trump campaign is so desperate for lawyers to fight their multiple spurious lawsuits that pretty much any mentallist who bought a fake law degree from Trump university (or equivalent) can find employment on one of the cases - and can then tweet this kind of shite while claiming (truthfully) to be a (sort of) Trump attorney.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I'm reading about this on twitter, astonishing how many people are debating with each other all the details of the operation - who gets the servers, what body has jurisdiction etc etc - argue what happened and when and so on... for a thing that a child of ten could see was completely fucking made up and obviously never even came close to happening. I'm understanding the Trump thing better than ever before.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
If this Paragon is U.K.-based PARAGON SOFTWARE SYSTEMS LIMITED. Their 100% Shareholders is APTEAN LIMITED. The Chief Technology Officer of APTEAN LIMITED is Jenny Peng. How about Her background??
Good question. How about her background eh? Eh?
 

Leo

Well-known member
Just putting this out there to be deboonked by the dissensus galaxy brains

or...(this is getting a bit tiring)

from AP: False reports claim election servers were seized in Germany

CLAIM: The U.S. Army raided the Frankfurt office of the Spanish election software company Scytl to seize servers that had evidence of voting irregularities in the Nov. 3 U.S. election.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Both the Army and Scytl told The Associated Press the claim is not true. Furthermore, Scytl does not have offices or servers in Frankfurt, Germany.

THE FACTS: Social media users Saturday were sharing reports published by conservative websites claiming servers that would reveal wrongdoing in the U.S. election had been confiscated by U.S. military forces in Germany. Most posts said the servers belong to the software company Scytl, which is based in Barcelona, and some suggested the servers housed information from Dominion Voting Systems.

The false claims followed a Zoom call this week that featured Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas, suggesting that “U.S. Army forces” had seized servers from a Frankfurt office of the software company Scytl.

In his remarks, which were widely shared on social media, Gohmert acknowledged that the information about the alleged raid only came from a “German tweet in German,” and he said, “I don’t know the truth.”

In his recorded remarks, Gohmert said he had heard from “former intel people” that Scytl maintained data that could be “gleaned” to prove Republican votes had been changed to Democratic ones in the Nov. 3 election.

But, according to the company, Scytl does not tally votes. Nor is there credible evidence Republican votes were changed to Democratic votes in the election.

When asked by The Associated Press if the Army had engaged in an operation to recover servers in Germany, an Army spokesperson responded Saturday, “Those allegations are false.”

Scytl also refuted the claim. As the false conspiracy spread online, the company released a statement Friday titled, “Fact Checking Regarding US Elections: Debunking Fake News.”
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the fact that the company implicated in this alleged vote-rigging scandal is based in - wait for it - Tampa?
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Just putting this out there to be deboonked by the dissensus galaxy brains

All this is, is an allegation about a software company. There is no evidence presented and it seems highly unlikely that anyone would deliberately procure election software to fix elections. Not least because they could then be used to rig elections against the malevolent party.

Let's see how it goes in court.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Did I post anything about a raid on scytl in Germany?
I did not.
That's why I said above that it was in the twitter thread and wasn't the original claim. Although it seems to be an important part of why the gullible are willing to believe that claim so read into that what you will.
Don't worry I will allow that you're not dumb enough to think that there was a secret US raid on a non-existent German bunker that was hiding the real results of the US election.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
All this is, is an allegation about a software company. There is no evidence presented and it seems highly unlikely that anyone would deliberately procure election software to fix elections. Not least because they could then be used to rig elections against the malevolent party.
Let's see how it goes in court.
It's obvious bullshit. The machines have been used for years, they were used in Florida that was won by Trump and they were used in Kentucky where Moscow Mitch won. Nobody from the GOP has been able to get any evidence of voter fraud but this loony-tunes woman claims that there is a constant flow of overwhelming evidence that is too much for her to deal with - really?
I think it was debunked on the next Fox show after the claim was made.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Meanwhile in Pennsylvania
Trump campaign abandons part of legal challenge to Pennsylvania election results
Allegation that 682,479 mail-in and absentee ballots were illegally processed without its representatives watching has been dropped
Must be cos once the kraken is released they won't need to argue about that any more.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
So the Trump argument is now basically trying to strike out votes that were "cured". That is, some votes were identified as incorrectly done on a technicality (normally only placed inside one envelope when it should in fact be inside two) and if that was spotted in time and the voter could be identified, then they could be notified and they would be given the chance to vote correctly.
So the Trump campaign has changed from saying "we weren't allowed in and maybe we got more votes" to "Oh yeah we were allowed in and we didn't get more votes, but possibly if we strike out and disfranchise these people who were legally entitled to vote we'll get nearer your total" although it seems clear that there weren't enough cured votes to change the result so why they're wasting everyone's time with this buillshit fuck knows.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
This is the main point I think (as posted by a Republican radio host)
Monday 11/16 vote totals: President-elect Biden beat President Trump by 11,024 in AZ; 14,151 in GA; 20,467 in WI and 63,577 in PA. There’s a recount underway in GA, but nowhere else. There’s no lawsuit pending that would change any state from Biden to Trump.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
So the Trump argument is now basically trying to strike out votes that were "cured". That is, some votes were identified as incorrectly done on a technicality (normally only placed inside one envelope when it should in fact be inside two) and if that was spotted in time and the voter could be identified, then they could be notified and they would be given the chance to vote correctly.
So the Trump campaign has changed from saying "we weren't allowed in and maybe we got more votes" to "Oh yeah we were allowed in and we didn't get more votes, but possibly if we strike out and disfranchise these people who were legally entitled to vote we'll get nearer your total" although it seems clear that there weren't enough cured votes to change the result so why they're wasting everyone's time with this buillshit fuck knows.
Although Rudy is denying this
Do not use the law firm of Swaine & Viebeck. They are the WAPO activists who falsely wrote that we changed our case in PA. They didn’t read para 132-150 which repeat all the allegations of the 680,777 mail in votes which were deliberately concealed from Republican inspectors.
Then again I saw someone on Twitter saying that RG defended their friend on a parking ticket charge and they ended up with the death sentence...
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Weird... I can read and, seemingly, copy it
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Monday that he has come under increasing pressure in recent days from fellow Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), to question the validity of legally cast absentee ballots in an effort to reverse President Trump’s narrow loss in the state.
In a wide-ranging interview about the election, Raffensperger expressed exasperation over a string of baseless allegations coming from Trump and his allies about the integrity of the Georgia results, including claims that Dominion Voting Systems, the Colorado-based manufacturer of Georgia’s voting machines, is a “leftist” company with ties to Venezuela that engineered thousands of Trump votes to be left out of the count.
The atmosphere has grown so contentious, Raffensperger said, that both he and his wife, Tricia, have received death threats in recent days, including a text to him that read: “You better not botch this recount. Your life depends on it.”
“Other than getting you angry, it’s also very disillusioning,” Raffensperger said of the threats, “particularly when it comes from people on my side of the aisle. Everyone that is working on this needs to elevate their speech. We need to be thoughtful and careful about what we say.” He said he reported the threats to state authorities.
The pressure on Raffensperger, who has bucked his party in defending the state’s voting process, comes as Georgia is in the midst of a laborious hand recount of about 5 million ballots. President-elect Joe Biden has a 14,000-vote lead in the initial count.
The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president’s efforts in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a “liar” and a “charlatan.”
Collins has questioned Raffensperger’s handling of the vote and accused him of capitulating to Democrats by not backing allegations of voter fraud more strongly.
Raffensperger has said that every accusation of fraud will be thoroughly investigated, but that there is currently no credible evidence that fraud occurred on a broad enough scale to affect the outcome of the election.
The recount, Raffensperger said in the interview Monday, will “affirm” the results of the initial count. He said the hand-counted audit that began last week will also prove the accuracy of the Dominion machines; some counties have already reported that their hand recounts exactly match the machine tallies previously reported. Election officials in one county, Floyd, discovered about 2,600 eligible votes that were not included in the initial tallies because of a failure to upload them off a memory stick. The secretary of state’s office said those votes probably would have been discovered, but it called for the resignation of the county election director.
“I’m an engineer. We look at numbers. We look at hard data,” he said. “I can’t help it that a failed candidate like Collins is running around lying to everyone. He’s a liar.”
A spokeswoman for Collins replied to a request for comment by linking to a tweet Collins sent on Monday in which he described Raffensperger’s “incompetence as Secretary of State.”
Collins ran unsuccessfully for Senate this year and is blamed by some Republicans for pushing the incumbent in that race, fellow Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler, into a runoff against the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat.
In the interview, Raffensperger also said he spoke on Friday to Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has echoed Trump’s unfounded claims about voting irregularities.
In their conversation, Graham questioned Raffensperger about the state’s signature-matching law and whether political bias could have prompted poll workers to accept ballots with nonmatching signatures, according to Raffensperger. Graham also asked whether Raffensperger had the power to toss all mail ballots in counties found to have higher rates of nonmatching signatures, Raffensperger said.
Raffensperger said he was stunned that Graham appeared to suggest that he find a way to toss legally cast ballots. Absent court intervention, Raffensperger doesn’t have the power to do what Graham suggested, as counties administer elections in Georgia.
“It sure looked like he was wanting to go down that road,” Raffensperger said.
In an interview on Capitol Hill on Monday evening, Graham denied that he had suggested that Raffensperger toss legal ballots, calling that characterization “ridiculous.”
But he said he did seek out the secretary of state to understand the state’s signature-matching requirements. Graham said he contacted Raffensperger on his own and was not asked to do so by Trump.
“The main issue for me is: How do you protect the integrity of mail-in voting and how does signature verification work?” he said.
“If he feels threatened by that conversation, he’s got a problem,” Graham added. “I actually thought it was a good conversation.”
On the same day that Graham spoke to Raffensperger about signature matching, a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Georgia challenging the way county election officials check signatures and allow voters a chance to fix ballots with errors.
The suit, filed by Atlanta lawyer and Trump supporter Lin Wood, seeks to block certification of Georgia’s election until all ballot envelopes are inspected.
Also that day, Trump tweeted about signature-matching in Georgia and criticized Raffensperger for his management of the state elections: “Georgia Secretary of State, a so-called Republican (RINO), won’t let the people checking the ballots see the signatures for fraud. Why? Without this the whole process is very unfair and close to meaningless. Everyone knows that we won the state.”
Raffensperger said he will vigorously fight the lawsuit, which would require the matching of ballot envelopes with ballots — potentially exposing individual voters’ choices.
“It doesn’t matter what political party or which campaign does that,” Raffensperger said. “The secrecy of the vote is sacred.”
The secretary of state also warned that the Republican attacks on Dominion voting machines could create issues for the state’s Republican U.S. senators, Loeffler and David Perdue, who face runoffs on Jan. 5 that will be administered using the same Dominion machines.
Over the weekend, social media posts began appearing from Trump supporters questioning whether they feel comfortable using Dominion machines in the two runoff elections, which will determine which party controls the Senate.
“I don’t think it’s helpful when you create doubt in the election process,” Raffensperger said. “People might throw up their arms and say, ‘Why vote?’ ”
 

Leo

Well-known member
WAPO has a monthly limit of articles if you're not a subscriber, and I surpassed my limit.

I'm so glad this sec. of state is a republican, and seems like a straight shooter. collins is a jerk, but Lindsay graham comes off really bad here.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Going by everything I've head he doesn't seem partisan on this issue. Cautiously optimistic on him doing the right thing on this.
 
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