The same applies to his music though. Frictionless, timelessness. It's not so much the future was cancelled as there is no future imaginary anymore, time itself has collapsed.
Glitchcore? Cybergoth? Post-hardcore? Breakcore? Weirdcore?
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The same applies to his music though. Frictionless, timelessness. It's not so much the future was cancelled as there is no future imaginary anymore, time itself has collapsed.
luka
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id assumed youd counselled Kieran to stay well away!
luka
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i agree. no one has anything to champion. no one is buying the bullshit.
Yes but championing itself is an act of bullshit ultimately. It's like I said, if you get rid of the racialised post-african repetitions stuff from Stockhausen's rants when he was shown a load of techno, you can actually see how on the mark he is. There was nothing futuristic about jungle, synthpop, detroit techno, etc etc, from a compositional perspective.
But of course that is the weakness of the likes of arch modernists like him, that they have no room for the functional. But that doesn't invalidate everything they say.
what the likes of Stockhausen don't understand is that our brain likes familiarity, it likes regular rhythmic metre (even in the most far out Turkish/Arabic/West African polyrhythmic shit.) It likes cliches.
That's where Stockhausens racism ultimately lies, not that he was compositionally wrong but that he was racist in terms of discounting the importance of the utility of music as a form of popular folk culture. For him music was supposed to be an intellectual exercise and little else. A pathology he shared with the likes of Boulez, but Boulez is much more interesting to listen to, imo.
That's where Stockhausens racism ultimately lies, not that he was compositionally wrong but that he was racist in terms of discounting the importance of the utility of music as a form of popular folk culture. For him music was supposed to be an intellectual exercise and little else. A pathology he shared with the likes of Boulez, but Boulez is much more interesting to listen to, imo.
Zealotry is not rational. In that sense it is bullshit. It's just which bullshit we like to believe in.
Don't get me wrong, I believe in @blissblogger 's bullshit, cos it's similar to the bullshit I subscribe to. But the line between scholars and scatology is that thin, y'know.
Or to put it another way: every scholar is a scatologist.
Or to put it another way: every scholar is a scatologist.
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forclosure
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suspended could fit in there as i would but problem is i don't really like any of this stuff
forclosure
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that's an interesting thing though @thirdform i wonder why it is that for all this pushing at boundaries and cognisants at what we could still consider music, the thing that still grounds it in our world so to speak is all the aesthetics that we'd usually associate with the grotty ends of anime forums ,shitposts and all that?
Like gnasher said it's probably due to the fact that these are people who grew up and came to understanding their identites on the internet but fuck knows, we're probably the wrong people to speak on this part of the music anyway
Like gnasher said it's probably due to the fact that these are people who grew up and came to understanding their identites on the internet but fuck knows, we're probably the wrong people to speak on this part of the music anyway
forclosure
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also with no disrespect to gnasher but i think they're going through the same kind of experience that suspended did where they expected dissensus to be one thing through its "reputation" and got something else lol
i can't exactly say i had those expectations when i got on here a few years back cause i didn't even know who k-punk was and i still haven't watched/read anything of his or even been exposed to any of his posts here (that's a thought for luke maybe you could put together some kind of compilation of his stuff and stick them on the front page, who knows how many people will flock to here again)
i can't exactly say i had those expectations when i got on here a few years back cause i didn't even know who k-punk was and i still haven't watched/read anything of his or even been exposed to any of his posts here (that's a thought for luke maybe you could put together some kind of compilation of his stuff and stick them on the front page, who knows how many people will flock to here again)
I like the end of it which is descended from techno, ragga jungle and rave music but the cutesy hyperpop end of it is really not my thing at all, it just sounds exactly like what white Anglo sadboys (who actually really elitist and intolerant) listen to in this country (yes yes I know it's different in America before people start going at my throat.)
But this kind of stuff is wicked:
forclosure
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i feel like for me with alot of this stuff as you know i don't particularly like gabba outside of the 2 tracks on your top 100 songs list and i find alot of this stuff is rooted in gabba's particular brand of overloading the senses and barreling on at what sounds like 250 bpm there's just nothing for me to connect to the music or grab onto it
For all its energy and "excitement" i find myself unable to get into it
I mean I don't mind if people call me queerphobic, I'm comfortable in my own beliefs to not be hurt by that, but I don't understand why as a muslim person who was called terrorist before he knew anything about politics, and be told I could be reported to old bill if i got on the wrong side of teachers at school, why I should be forced to consume cute shit? My teenage years were certainly not cute, I have no nostalgia for them, I have no nostalgia whatsoever for high school crushes, I have no nostalgia for the friends, and the innocence of those years, those feelings were snubbed out long before this kind of internet music got popular, there was no eden for me, it was always the fall.
It's like people who moan about the straightness and hetero nature of football, we get it, you don't need it in your life, but at least interrogate why that is. Not calling you out Webbie cos I know you don't go on about it, and I do genuinely think there are good reasons to dislike football, but not the reasons given by most so-called progressives who have never met black and brown arsenal or liverpool fans or whatever.
It's like people who moan about the straightness and hetero nature of football, we get it, you don't need it in your life, but at least interrogate why that is. Not calling you out Webbie cos I know you don't go on about it, and I do genuinely think there are good reasons to dislike football, but not the reasons given by most so-called progressives who have never met black and brown arsenal or liverpool fans or whatever.
i mean it's a bit like Melt Banana or Mainliner for me, or even free jazz, it taps into a similar sort of vibe.
But i do get why people can't get with it. It's kind of against everything dance music or clubbing represents.
mvuent
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read the interview with bjork, he's a lot less of an idiot than you think. and no way in hell is boulez more interesting to listen to!
No way. I never said he's an idiot.
He just doesn't get participatory musics.
As for Boulez,