shit in art galleries

[Leo]

one of those art works that's an experience: waiting to view it, since it's just one person at a time; the instructions before you enter; the silence inside, and overwhelming smell of oil once inside; carefully walking the path into the middle; not knowing for sure if the oil is one inch or 10 feet deep.

 

[catalog]

In the one I went to, it was a sort of stairwell that you climbed up to, maybe just 3 or 4 steps, then walked along, then down, at an angle. With a small viewing platform in between. But definitely a dark room. And the pool itself not a rectangle, odd angled.

 

[IdleRich]

Yeah it was a weird room with lots of strange shapes to reflect.

 

[catalog]

The other art shit I really liked, around the same time, maybe a bit later, was at tate modern, Sam Taylor-wood's "brontosaurus", with the skiiny guy dancing to music naked, but it's silent

I think it was the first time I sas a ehole room and the art is a video, and the video is a bit confounding.

 

[IdleRich]

Ah I've seen that but had no idea it was Sam Taylor-Wood.

 

[IdleRich]

Didn't she direct 50 Shades of Grey? Seemed a bizarre choice out of all the directors in the world to steer home this megabuster behemoth, though I suppose now I know she did a video of a man waggling his willy around it does make a bit more sense.

 

[IdleRich]

If anyone knows what that was (particularly the other film) I'd really like to find out/remember.

If anyone cares (which they clearly don't) the other film was Le Grand Depart by Martial Raysse

A mysterious man, who calls himself Cain, withdraws from the world masquerading as a holy man and brings with him a young girl, Innocence, promising that they will soon reach paradise, where Monsieur Nature reigns. The non-narrative story is an allegory follows the adventures of a man in a cat-mask. He is seen, variously, rescuing people or raping women, or tenderly reassuring a young girl. In short, he is an unpredictable element. He joins forces with someone (Sterling Hayden) who is taking a raft around the world, or maybe out of the world. Highlights of the film are the short scenes which appear with their color the right way 'round.

 

[IdleRich]

Or as they put it at the time

Le Grand Depart is the only feature film directed by painter and sculptor Martial Raysse. Following a masked cat (reminiscent of the Puss in Boots story, the fairy-tale of social mobility), we set off on a trip punctuated with muggings, free love and casual crime, to the bucolic setting of a commune led by a Mr Nature (Sterling Hayden). The guru announces that the time has come, and takes his followers onto the raft of freedom, for the ultimate voyage. Scenes in negative exposure and superimpositions create a paroxysmal universe where death and the miracle of existence are entangled to saturation. Shot in 1971, with little compromise to the conventions of cinema, the film corresponds to a period when the artist dropped out of the art scene in reaction to its commercialism.

 

[version]

The other art shit I really liked, around the same time, maybe a bit later, was at tate modern, Sam Taylor-wood's "brontosaurus", with the skiiny guy dancing to music naked, but it's silent

That's Sean from Autechre.

 

[IdleRich]

Or as they put it at the time



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And the soundtrack to the film that no-one cares about even slightly was done by Gong apparently

 

[luka]

i think the reason that tate modern is so unsatisfying is that the work compares so unfavourably with the modern digital image in a way that the national gallery doesnt suffer from because of the sumptuousness of the surfaces and the depth of the illusions created.

 

[luka]

but cezzane has something that outcompetes the digital images, is the primatic aspects of watercolour, and the insane play of light and colours and also because of the way his illusions are created. he has a very advanced sense of how eyes and imagination interact to create the illusion of the image, that there is some magic beyond literalism that weaves the threads together to create something with depth and weight and mystery.

 

[shakahislop]

i think the reason that tate modern is so unsatisfying is that the work compares so unfavourably with the modern digital image in a way that the national gallery doesnt suffer from because of the sumptuousness of the surfaces and the depth of the illusions created.

a lot of modern art looks quite old to me now. probably it didn't look quite so old in 2000 when tate modern opened. to use that wanky term if it is 'in dialogue' with the present moment, that present moment is far in the rearview mirror now

 

[luka]

it looks rubbish. loads of Freud.

 

[Corpsey]

It's a horrible sterile building too, which is probably 'the point' (strip away all the aristocratic artifice) but makes it an uninspiring place to walk around in.

 

[luka]

anything clean like mondrian looks rubbish compared to digital images

 

[luka]

there illusions created by the modelling in the bathers that no reproduction can capture partly a problem of scale and also of resolution and texture

 

[luka]

very unncanny effects of three dimensionality and depth

 

[Corpsey]

Mondrian's one of those who make me feel like everybody's having me on about how great he is

I mean, it's pleasant to look at, it's conceptually somewhat interesting, but all I see is some lines and shapes

 

[Corpsey]

I stand there looking at them, hand on chin, nodding gently, feeling nothing, just long enough for other aesthetes to acknowledge that yes I am better than the tourist pigs, then move on