muting

It’s essentially the subtle curation of the soothing sounds of nature, and getting humans out of the way, a clearing. Sometimes I get a sinister feeling from this, echoes from a post human future. boards of Canada tapped into this energy, calming audio propaganda from corporations destroying the planet, like more advanced call centre hold music
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
Had to read this twice. You mean it’s functional?
thats part of it. Im saying its the sound mass homogenization as much as it is the sound of a respite from modernity which seems to be the focus everyone else is taking.
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
so its functional in that its music to relax too but also has 'function' in that it makes sense to have an ambient taste in your back pocket as a modern individual. its a peice that fills out the whole subject, it gives a sense of completeness. but maybe this is a dumb point im not entirely sure what Im saying either
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
America is a much more medicated population overall in comparison. As a society you can access the nice source of cushy drugs without too much hassle legally and the illicit market place is more specialised/customised. Satiation comes in different forms, see food markets. Study aid drugs, on and on, soothe the edges, medicate emotions away and muting plays into this - sound as distraction device
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
The world is hyperactive and loud but everything 'fits'. theres appeal in how 'sensible' ambient is. like beats-to-relax-and-study-to, its use was immediately understood by everyone.
there's a quote from some modern composer, i think one of the more famous minimalists, about how the violent changes in dynamics and interpolation between emotional extremes you get in beethoven doesn't resemble the kind of stable emotional life he wants—hence his reliance upon slow, gradual evolutions rather than dramatic gestures and contrasts. seems like that attitude has become very very prevalent these days, not just with spotify mood playlist normies, but even among hipper and more adventurous crowds. people want stasis or near-stasis in their art. homogeneity of affect.

one interesting thing about stockhausen's electronic music is that, in a way, it's a futuristic extension of the hyper-dynamic beethoven approach. it's designed so that the listener encounters not just one extreme, but multiple, opposing extremes (and whatever's in the middle) in a single work. in some moments almost nothing happens, in other moments everything happens at once. i love this approach because to me it takes you on a more fulfilling journey, an Odyssey, than the minimalist approach. but from reading reviews and comments i get the sense that a lot of people who are into similar music just cannot make heads or tails of this particular style anymore. they either focus on the slow parts and think it's dark ambient, or focus on the violent parts and think the meditative parts are filler, places where he ran out of ideas. (considering that several of these works were originally planned to be way longer, that seems unlikely.) they seem to prefer or better understand, say, radigue, because there's a consistency in how the music's always near-frozen and barely there, or xenakis, which constantly pummels you like a thunderstorm.

similarly, as i think @dilbert1 pointed out in another thread, the old school rave that seems most popular and most aped these days is the ambient "deep atmospheric" stuff. 90 minutes of relaxing synths over jungle breaks. or there's the breakcore angle, which is just constant distorted bitcrushed excitement. what you don't get as much are the weird stitched together sections that go from ruff to ambient, or the mysterious incongruous samples: some weird unsettling dinosaur noise in a house track, "hey party people" in a darkcore track etc.

on the other hand, the youtube and tiktok algorithms etc have the opposite tendency of smashing together completely unlike things. it's tough to imagine northrop frye and mrbeast standing in the same room but they can easily appear on my youtube feed right next to each other. so maybe the easily classifiable emotional stability of the art itself is in part a reaction or attempt to compensate for the ease and prevalence of channel-surfing. the one area of artistic resistance to this is probably memes... that's what stock would be up to if he was born in the 21st century.
 

woops

is not like other people
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version

Well-known member
seems like that attitude has become very very prevalent these days, not just with spotify mood playlist normies, but even among hipper and more adventurous crowds. people want stasis or near-stasis in their art. homogeneity of affect.

Wonder if this is partly down to a lot of people's entertainment and friction coming from global gossip networks.
You may not feel the same desire to be challenged by art when you're being probed and prodded by 'the discourse' all day.
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
you also see this stuff with all the talk of '-cores:' normcore, darkcore, cottagecore etc. Its popular to be many different characters but never more than one at the same time.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
there's a quote from some modern composer, i think one of the more famous minimalists, about how the violent changes in dynamics and interpolation between emotional extremes you get in beethoven doesn't resemble the kind of stable emotional life he wants—hence his reliance upon slow, gradual evolutions rather than dramatic gestures and contrasts. seems like that attitude has become very very prevalent these days, not just with spotify mood playlist normies, but even among hipper and more adventurous crowds. people want stasis or near-stasis in their art. homogeneity of affect.

one interesting thing about stockhausen's electronic music is that, in a way, it's a futuristic extension of the hyper-dynamic beethoven approach. it's designed so that the listener encounters not just one extreme, but multiple, opposing extremes (and whatever's in the middle) in a single work. in some moments almost nothing happens, in other moments everything happens at once. i love this approach because to me it takes you on a more fulfilling journey, an Odyssey, than the minimalist approach. but from reading reviews and comments i get the sense that a lot of people who are into similar music just cannot make heads or tails of this particular style anymore. they either focus on the slow parts and think it's dark ambient, or focus on the violent parts and think the meditative parts are filler, places where he ran out of ideas. (considering that several of these works were originally planned to be way longer, that seems unlikely.) they seem to prefer or better understand, say, radigue, because there's a consistency in how the music's always near-frozen and barely there, or xenakis, which constantly pummels you like a thunderstorm.

similarly, as i think @dilbert1 pointed out in another thread, the old school rave that seems most popular and most aped these days is the ambient "deep atmospheric" stuff. 90 minutes of relaxing synths over jungle breaks. or there's the breakcore angle, which is just constant distorted bitcrushed excitement. what you don't get as much are the weird stitched together sections that go from ruff to ambient, or the mysterious incongruous samples: some weird unsettling dinosaur noise in a house track, "hey party people" in a darkcore track etc.

on the other hand, the youtube and tiktok algorithms etc have the opposite tendency of smashing together completely unlike things. it's tough to imagine northrop frye and mrbeast standing in the same room but they can easily appear on my youtube feed right next to each other. so maybe the easily classifiable emotional stability of the art itself is in part a reaction or attempt to compensate for the ease and prevalence of channel-surfing. the one area of artistic resistance to this is probably memes... that's what stock would be up to if he was born in the 21st century.


Techno in it's modern, European form has become monotone to the extreme (Adam Beyer, Drumcode etc onwards.) Gone are the jacking syncopations, synthetic hooks, and emotional chords. Rarely even a bassline to follow. Now, it seems producers are laser focused on removing any trace of relatable humanness and providing the raver with a stark, cold and quantized space to exist within. Somewhere between bare white cube ala THX1138, gothic cathedral and operating theatre. Every sound exacting in its function. Zero decoration or or feature to grasp hold of. No choice to submit and be consumed. Just relentless nothingness.



But hey, the kids r dead inside, whaddayagonnado?
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
so its functional in that its music to relax too but also has 'function' in that it makes sense to have an ambient taste in your back pocket as a modern individual. its a peice that fills out the whole subject, it gives a sense of completeness. but maybe this is a dumb point im not entirely sure what Im saying either

yeah, it's fucking moronic, if I'm being honest.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Techno in it's modern, European form has become monotone to the extreme (Adam Beyer, Drumcode etc onwards.) Gone are the jacking syncopations, synthetic hooks, and emotional chords. Rarely even a bassline to follow. Now, it seems producers are laser focused on removing any trace of relatable humanness and providing the raver with a stark, cold and quantized space to exist within. Somewhere between bare white cube ala THX1138, gothic cathedral and operating theatre. Every sound exacting in its function. Zero decoration or or feature to grasp hold of. No choice to submit and be consumed. Just relentless nothingness.



But hey, the kids r dead inside, whaddayagonnado?

I mean Adam Beyer etc music was initially a poor mans copy of Surgeon and Mills, so doesn't that complicate your thesis somewhat? Pure european techno is trance, no soul or funk influences, just moroder and italo trash zoomed into infinity. This was a point @blissblogger made

Without chicago, the Euros would not have minimal techno, not really. That doesn't really exist in the benelux-germanic-italian dance lineage. With the exception of gabber, but gabber as such is also a chicago house derivative. Rotterdam house!

This is pure white techno, as it were.
I agree with you though that minimalism without the funk is depressing. And it often ends up sounding monotone or like psytrance. But traditionally speaking, European dance music has been overly maximalist to a fault. Part of why hardcore-jungle-garage etc have more in common with chicago, new york etc than they do antwerp or wherever.

@wektor can attest to what I'm saying. just google euphoric hardstyle mix on youtube. This stuff is huge, much bigger than any berghain/business techno.

likewise, this so-called melodic burning man house of lee burrage (sp?) with incessant arpeggiated kitsch is big with rich whiter South Americans and Hong Kong expats. Way more than whatever is in vogue at RA.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
tf is this supposed to mean third?

that the interesting ideas of ambient, a radical austerity, were better pursued in techno. part of the problem with ambient is it couldn't escape the despicable counterculture of hippies, a counterculture I note you have a fondness for with your constant appeals to Eno, probably the worst artist to have ever existed.
 
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