linebaugh

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Nah, I think they were too busy supporting civil rights or protesting the Vietnam war to get involved with politics.
I meant this half seriously if for no other reason than media saturation. there could be a more banal, quotidian manefestion of politics now than then. More normal and functioning people whose entire inner worlds revolve around it. Obv the 60s had that too but maybe less of these people? Every third grocery clerk now has the rigor and passion of the student activist. There also seems to be a pride now in 'having a take' where perhaps in the 60s polite society still considered political talk indecent. This is all a hunch though
 

okzharp

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Brett pulled his tank top up over his head and stared at himself in the full-length mirror. He pushed down his jeans, then his boxers, and imagined the moment when Jennifer saw him nude for the first time. His feet were average-sized, and there was hair on his toes that he should probably take care of before tonight. He liked his legs just fine, but his thighs were wide and embarrassingly muscular. He tried standing at an angle, a twist at his waist. Some improvement. In that position, it was easier to see his ass and notice that it was not as pert as it had been at 22. He clenched both cheeks, hoping that tightened its look. He sucked in his tummy and pulled his pecs up high, trying to present them like pastries in a bakery window. Would she like him? Were the goods good enough? He pouted his lips and ran his hands over his thighs, masking their expanse. Maybe.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Brett pulled his tank top up over his head and stared at himself in the full-length mirror. He pushed down his jeans, then his boxers, and imagined the moment when Jennifer saw him nude for the first time. His feet were average-sized, and there was hair on his toes that he should probably take care of before tonight. He liked his legs just fine, but his thighs were wide and embarrassingly muscular. He tried standing at an angle, a twist at his waist. Some improvement. In that position, it was easier to see his ass and notice that it was not as pert as it had been at 22. He clenched both cheeks, hoping that tightened its look. He sucked in his tummy and pulled his pecs up high, trying to present them like pastries in a bakery window. Would she like him? Were the goods good enough? He pouted his lips and ran his hands over his thighs, masking their expanse. Maybe.
"Source: Gus's novel"
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.

So satisfying to see a woman put so eloquently what nearly all of you failed to understand for years on end. It was never about reductionism, never about femdom, never about fetishes, never about essentialism, never about stereotypes. This post wonderfully expresses a truth central to male lesbianism/femboy feminism. I hope you'll all read her post carefully. And to think, you all claimed I didn't know about real women when MALE LESBIANISM WAS CREATED TO RESPOND TO DESIRES EXPRESSED BY REAL WOMEN.

Who knows, maybe one day you'll all learn. =D
 

version

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"We were talking the other day about how he’s the only straight guy I vibed with and how it’s funny because he is far from following the rules of patriarchal heteronormative gender roles."

Why is that 'funny'? Makes complete sense that the only straight guy she would "vibe with" would be the one who behaves the least like a straight guy, given the way she's discussing this stuff.
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
"We were talking the other day about how he’s the only straight guy I vibed with and how it’s funny because he is far from following the rules of patriarchal heteronormative gender roles."

Why is that 'funny'? Makes complete sense that the only straight guy she would "vibe with" would be the one who behaves the least like a straight guy, given the way she's discussing this stuff.

It's "funny" because most people don't even know straight femboys exist. But, you're making much ado about a trivial linguistic quibble, as usual. Why does it matter if it's "funny"? It certainly is unusual to you, since you claim feminine men act "the least like straight" men. You should have listened to the wisdom of femboy feminism! After all, I've always claimed both cishet femboys and trads act equally "like straight" men.
 

version

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She phrased it like it was surprising or unusual to her that the guy she went for didn't conform to "patriarchal heteronormative gender roles" but it's blatantly obvious that's who she would go for based on the way she talks about masculinity.
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
She phrased it like it was surprising or unusual to her that the guy she went for didn't conform to "patriarchal heteronormative gender roles" but it's blatantly obvious that's who she would go for based on the way she talks about masculinity.
But she didn't go for a patriarchal trad that's the point. Maybe she did in the past, but she just made a post praising her femboyfriend. And yes, many people do find it unusual that straight femboys exist at all. That is because the patriarchy represses feminine culture, a point I have repeatedly made which everyone else ignored like they always do. But I do agree with you that many women who normally go for trads would prefer femboys if they knew femboys were an option or knew what it was like to date one!
 

malelesbian

Femboyism IS feminism.
100% of straight men who wear crop tops that ive known are all as toxically masculine as the average frat boy and have multuple sexual assault allegations against them
Appearance is not a good way to judge whether or not someone promotes and contributes to feminine culture. You're right: plenty of feminine looking men perform all sorts of bad masculine behaviors, that's true just like plenty of trad women perform bad masculine behaviors. I myself look only slightly more flamboyant that the average straight man, but what matters is that I actively affirm and contribute to feminine culture. Don't be so superficial. Look at you judging men entirely off their fashion choices, look at your toxic femininity. Everyone on this board does Mean Girl Regina George type politicking constantly. She specifically said the guys is sensitive and promotes non-toxic masculinity.
 

linebaugh

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Appearance is not a good way to judge whether or not someone promotes and contributes to feminine culture. You're right: plenty of feminine looking men perform all sorts of bad masculine behaviors, that's true just like plenty of trad women perform bad masculine behaviors. I myself look only slightly more flamboyant that the average straight man, but what matters is that I actively affirm and contribute to feminine culture. Don't be so superficial. Look at you judging men entirely off their fashion choices, look at your toxic femininity. Everyone on this board does Mean Girl Regina George type politicking constantly. She specifically said the guys is sensitive and promotes non-toxic masculinity.
She spends more time talking about his crop top and joining burlesque than she does his sensitivites. His sensitivities are given a quick aside truncated with an 'also.'
 

linebaugh

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And fashion is superficial. You are supposed to 'judge' someones fashion choices as far as innocuous judging falls under general communication. Clearly the guy described in the post wants to communicate something about his sensitivities with his fashion choices.
 

0bleak

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That twitter post has a truth I don't see much mentioned "I know that a lot of women pursue and prefer men who embody the truncated human expression of compliance with restrictive gender roles." - women are just as responsible for "patriarchy"/"toxic masculinity" by enforcing this through sexual selection - then again, if women are the people enforcing it, what does that mean?
 

mixed_biscuits

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That twitter post has a truth I don't see much mentioned "I know that a lot of women pursue and prefer men who embody the truncated human expression of compliance with restrictive gender roles." - women are just as responsible for "patriarchy"/"toxic masculinity" by enforcing this through sexual selection - then again, if women are the people enforcing it, what does that mean?
Sexual selection commonsensically prioritises partners with more of the skills you don't have yourself so that the partnership is overall more able. This is how biological sex differentiation evolved in the first place: specialisation enabled by the sex differentiation that also compensates for it.
 

version

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The talk of balance doesn't ring true to me as these discussions often seem to go one way: men "getting in touch with their feminine side." That isn't balance. That's pulling everything in one direction. Are women who get into combat sports and other traditionally masculine activities somehow reduced by it?

I had a look through that person's other Insta posts and it's all infographics of their own pronouncements and they talk about their partner like they're talking about an employee.
 
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