questions you are dying to ask but are too scared to b/c of music nerd cred?

[zhao]

thanks for the answers to the rasta/israel question.

new question:

maybe the most commonly used soundbite/sample in jungle/breaks and other styles -- that ring. you know what i'm talkin bout right? sounds kinda like an oldschool telephone ring? usually at the beginning of a track or sprinkled all over. where is that from and who used it first???

 

[fokse vektaire xeven]

It's a dub/dancehall thing, djs would construct little sound boxes with effects, and that sound is just an easily manufactured and distinctive one...i always think of it as more like a ray gun blast or somethin (gunshots being probably the second most popular sound effect)

couldn't tell you which dj/system did it first though...anyone know for sure? usually several people make the claim in these situations...

 

[Gavin]

It's a dub/dancehall thing, djs would construct little sound boxes with effects, and that sound is just an easily manufactured and distinctive one...i always think of it as more like a ray gun blast or somethin (gunshots being probably the second most popular sound effect)

couldn't tell you which dj/system did it first though...anyone know for sure? usually several people make the claim in these situations...

Yah, it reminds me of War of the Worlds.

 

[zhao]

hmmm weird, never heard it in dub or even 80s digital dancehall. always thought it was a jungle 'ting. my mental picture is always a fire engine for some reason

 

[matt b]

hmmm weird, never heard it in dub or even 80s digital dancehall. always thought it was a jungle 'ting. my mental picture is always a fire engine for some reason

see 'african dub chapter 3' onwards


king tubby hi fi used the first effects boxes

shaka popularised the siren. probably

as 'clashing' sounds/mixes- fuck knows

 

[fokse vektaire xeven]

hmmm weird, never heard it in dub or even 80s digital dancehall.

For the most part, it's something you'd hear in a dance rather than on a record, and i guess that's the atmosphere sampling it is supposed to conjure, bit like the popular "air horn" sound

on a fair few dubs tho

 

[DigitalDjigit]

You know that sound on every samba record that kinda goes like "woo" or "eee" (if it's more high pitched)? Is that an instrument or do the musicians vocalise that?

 

[zhao]

You know that sound on every samba record that kinda goes like "woo" or "eee" (if it's more high pitched)? Is that an instrument or do the musicians vocalise that?

it's an instrument. someone else will have to provide the name and pictures of it tho. at 4 AM Latif dropped the sweeeeeetest samba EVER last night... amazing.

nuther reggae question: what doe "rub-a-dub" mean? rubber dub? or is "rub" an expression which means something else? (thought i saw it used in an old english context or i may be imagining things. again.)

 

[mistersloane]

it's an instrument. someone else will have to provide the name and pictures of it tho. at 4 AM Latif dropped the sweeeeeetest samba EVER last night... amazing.

nuther reggae question: what doe "rub-a-dub" mean? rubber dub? or is "rub" an expression which means something else? (thought i saw it used in an old english context or i may be imagining things. again.)

History of the rhyme 'rub-a-dub-dub' here

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5038237

which may or may not help.

 

[noel emits]

You know that sound on every samba record that kinda goes like "woo" or "eee" (if it's more high pitched)? Is that an instrument or do the musicians vocalise that?

Yeah I think it involves pushing a piece of leather in and out of a wooden tube or drum base. I can't remember what it's called either.

 

[noel emits]

maybe the most commonly used soundbite/sample in jungle/breaks and other styles -- that ring. you know what i'm talkin bout right? sounds kinda like an oldschool telephone ring? usually at the beginning of a track or sprinkled all over. where is that from and who used it first???

Like a slow square lfo modulating a sine wave - two alternating tones?

http://www.kvraudio.com/developer_challenge_2007.php#dc0724
This is quite good for those sounds as well: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/430.html

 

[zhao]

History of the rhyme 'rub-a-dub-dub' here
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5038237
which may or may not help.

but what does it mean in reggae. or is it just a senseless rhyme?

 

[muser]

is another reggae/dancehall related one, what does it mean when they shout 'walllaaan' ? is it just like 'pull up', im sure ive heard it used in other contexts aswell?

 

[zhao]

"walllaaan"? i dont think i know what youre talking about...

reminds me though, of the "WASSA WASSA" i hear all the time in african music. Tego Calderon also repeats it in that one tune off his debut. my african friend tells me that it has no specific meaning, but just like, something cool to say...

 

[zhao]

Like a slow square lfo modulating a sine wave - two alternating tones?

http://www.kvraudio.com/developer_challenge_2007.php#dc0724
This is quite good for those sounds as well: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/430.html

yeah i guess so. that fading ring... would be kinda cool to have it around for spinning. thanks but those synths are all for PC

 

[muser]

ah yea, the rub a dub term mos likely comes from the nursery rhyme "rub a dub dub three maids in a tub etc.." I think alot of old english nursery rhymes were adopted into jamaican culture, for example eek a mouse's "george porgie pudding and pie" etc. so it probably has no real meaning behind it.

 

[DigitalDjigit]

is another reggae/dancehall related one, what does it mean when they shout 'walllaaan' ? is it just like 'pull up', im sure ive heard it used in other contexts aswell?

I thought they are saying "hold on".

I found out what the Brazilian instrument is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuíca In one of the songs the singer said the word and it started playing.

 

[ripley]

is another reggae/dancehall related one, what does it mean when they shout 'walllaaan' ? is it just like 'pull up', im sure ive heard it used in other contexts aswell?

I'm pretty sure it's "hold on"

in Patois you often drop the d at the end of a word (when its before a vowel), and the h at the beginning kinda shades towards w

so "hold" comes out something like: 'uohl'

 

[Gavin]

"walllaaan"? i dont think i know what youre talking about...

reminds me though, of the "WASSA WASSA" i hear all the time in african music. Tego Calderon also repeats it in that one tune off his debut. my african friend tells me that it has no specific meaning, but just like, something cool to say...

Tego's saying guasa guasa... "Guasa" is a joke, but in this context it means someone who is talking shit... hence the name of his album "El Enemy de los guasabiri" = the enemy of the shit-talkers/haters.

 

[zhao]

ah!