Why Conspiracy Theories?
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luka
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it's true.
luka
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You've missed the point I was making
Mr. Tea
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What are they victims of, though? Besides a delusion?
I can't see that it's "classist", either. Rates of vaccine skepticism, in the USA at least, correlate positively with education level. The stereotypical "Karen" is solidly middle-class.
Mr. Tea
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Like the UK's "world-beating" test, track and trace system, that's cost 12 billion quid and has been almost a complete failure?
luka
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Ok tea you're right that means every large organisation is incapable of delivering results and is inherently incompetent
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I'd have to actually read it, but as a person who knows a fair bit about the ppl around JFK and LBJ - who, let's be clear, were the same ppl (there was a gradual exodus of Kennedy loyalists and as time went on, Vietnam doubters, but the key ppl all remained until at least 66 or 67) - I would be curious to know who exactly he points to, and more importantly, how they achieved it. even with a small group of actual conspirators both getting it done and especially covering it up would be so difficult and require the collusion of so many people that it's difficult to believe better evidence of it would not have been produced by now. these are the same people that back the country into Vietnam in the most incompetent and self-delusional way possible. (also anyone who knows anything about LBJ will have a hard time believing that, even with his many flaws, he would have ordered the assassination of JFK - for one thing he didn't have those kinds of guts)
every JFK conspiracy theorist is an expert on the JFK assassination. Jim Garrison - protagonist of Oliver Stone's entertaining but extremely irresponsible movie - produced a tidal wave of information. So did Mark Lane, or any other major conspiracist figure that could be named. pretty much invariably their claims can be debunked but it takes an a great deal of time and effort to track them down and investigate them point by point. In the case of JFK, Vincent Bugliosi (and Gerald Posner before him) actually did just that.
this is as you say an aside but it's also indicative of the way conspiracist thinking becomes normalized
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I did not. I understood it perfectly. I disagree with it wholeheartedly.
there is a difference between saying there is no received wisdom vs in the kingdom of no certainties all claims are equally meaningless.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
there's a difference in the kinds of competency large organizations do and don't achieve
the U.S. govt of the 60s was literally the best in the world at rapidly delivering huge numbers of men and material to a given location
it was extremely bad at maintaining secrecy about policy decisions, which it very much wanted to
being good at logistics is very different from being good at controlling information
the U.S. govt of the 60s was literally the best in the world at rapidly delivering huge numbers of men and material to a given location
it was extremely bad at maintaining secrecy about policy decisions, which it very much wanted to
being good at logistics is very different from being good at controlling information
luka
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No, you misunderstood it
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
bro you have nothing original to say on this topic ever
and as soon as anyone challenges you on anything you just jam yr hands over yr ears and yell I can't hear you
same story, repeat a million times
luka
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This is something you can choose to believe but the nature of secrecy means it's not something you can know.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
and yr style of conspiracy promotion is actively harmful
I'm sorry but it is what it is. you're actively part of the problem. a very small part, granted.
left-wing politics are as rife as anything with conspiracist nonsense, it doesn't need more of it
I'm sorry but it is what it is. you're actively part of the problem. a very small part, granted.
left-wing politics are as rife as anything with conspiracist nonsense, it doesn't need more of it
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
no one ever ultimately "knows" anything. everything in life is something you choose to believe based on yr own critical faculties
no one can definitively prove the absence of something. handwaving secrecy is the same as religious ppl handwaving God.
there's plenty of information you or I or anyone can use to apply our critical faculties to making judgments
what you do with that information is your choice
[I edited out this last part bc what's the point, but I'll just generally say conspiracy thinking makes me sad rather than angry]