Dubstep
don't know TVPs but Raincoats and This Heat 100% do! as does Wire and Slits and PIL and i would say 90% of what we consider part of the sub genre.
just for the hell of it, i'll have a go (stomach feel strong right now!):
Glitch-Step -- Planet Mu Nu-IDM
Mini-Step -- Minimal influence ala Headhunter and 2562
Rave-Step -- you know that party midrangey stuff
Wonk-Step -- Faulty and all that synthy mess
Funk-Step -- Cooly, etc.
Chill-Step -- teh ambient
Pop-step -- from VA to the indie rawk remixes
Wobble -- Self explanatory
pretty sure i'm forgetting a few...
Orbstep = Ambient Brostep. 
Thing is there's lots of stuff that doesn't quite fit any of those categories very exactly, 'house' is probably the big thickening agent at the moment, but it's like there's a big mulch of the last 20 years' styles going on. And yet I have to say, fun as some of this is, it does all sound curiously homogeneous to me, there are definitely orthodoxies at work in many of the production elements. On the one hand this is what means it can be strung together in allegedly 'diverse' sets, but very often it seems like mixes come out sounding rather like Jive Bunny or 2 Many DJs Ableton mashups. It all goes by and not very much has happened, frankly.
Thing is there's lots of stuff that doesn't quite fit any of those categories very exactly, 'house' is probably the big thickening agent at the moment, but it's like there's a big mulch of the last 20 years' styles going on. And yet I have to say, fun as some of this is, it does all sound curiously homogeneous to me, there are definitely orthodoxies at work in many of the production elements. On the one hand this is what means it can be strung together in allegedly 'diverse' sets, but very often it seems like mixes come out sounding rather like Jive Bunny or 2 Many DJs Ableton mashups. It all goes by and not very much has happened, frankly.
yeah but IDM already exists. people who are into fucking about with glitch and other dancefloor unfriendly stuff have a space set up for them. so that 'extreme' is already catered for. or so I'd like to think anyway..
reynolds touched on this on his blog (re: jam city) and I do think right now there's a healthy middleground emerging, shaped by the mistakes of the past, where all this hyperconscious mixed-breed dance music can thrive.
I picked up on this too, maybe for different reasons though.
Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
Left Leg Out sounds quite funky-like if you slow it down a bit. This may have been discussed before, I think.
urbanite
subnoto
yeah jackmaster used it to great effect in that vice land mix, still one of my favourites that one
Can't quite figure out how he did it though, cuz slowing it down to about 132 it goes in the -8 pitch range and does feel a bit sluggish by that point...
didn't reply to your demo then?
nomos
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yeah i used to love playing it at 33 +8. total house tune really.
lazybones
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calling jam city IDM or post-grime is utter bullshit and reynolds once again shows that he is totally out of sync with UK CLUB music ...
as for listing a whole load of "x"-step, its utterly pointless....
theres a reason adjectives exist , theres no need to try and coin a new genre just because it doesnt fit exactly into a pre-existing category...
as for listing a whole load of "x"-step, its utterly pointless....
theres a reason adjectives exist , theres no need to try and coin a new genre just because it doesnt fit exactly into a pre-existing category...
UFO over easy
online mahjong
it's an understandable reaction but he did make it clear that its a different thing to that movement
"IDM, if it actually was serious about the "dance" bit of Intelligent Dance Music. IDM, hip (acutely hip) to where the real energy centers are. IDM, with none of the parody-it snark/goofiness of drill'n'bass/squarepusher/kid606 (if anything, gone the other way and a wee bit too earnest and reverent)."
that basically strips a lot of IDM down to nothing though, the IDM that makes people turn away in revulsion at the very thought of it anyway - pretense masking lack of musical content. so i don't think pointing out the social similarities is necessary or particularly useful. all he seems to be saying is that some of those guys were articulate about music, and some of these guys are too.
'this is similar to stuff that it's not actually very similar to at all.'
the only directly negative bits of the article are about the 'peripheral stuff', the names and the vibe he gets, which i think you're right in thinking is slightly skewed by the distance at which he views it
"IDM, if it actually was serious about the "dance" bit of Intelligent Dance Music. IDM, hip (acutely hip) to where the real energy centers are. IDM, with none of the parody-it snark/goofiness of drill'n'bass/squarepusher/kid606 (if anything, gone the other way and a wee bit too earnest and reverent)."
that basically strips a lot of IDM down to nothing though, the IDM that makes people turn away in revulsion at the very thought of it anyway - pretense masking lack of musical content. so i don't think pointing out the social similarities is necessary or particularly useful. all he seems to be saying is that some of those guys were articulate about music, and some of these guys are too.
'this is similar to stuff that it's not actually very similar to at all.'
the only directly negative bits of the article are about the 'peripheral stuff', the names and the vibe he gets, which i think you're right in thinking is slightly skewed by the distance at which he views it
lazybones
f, d , d+f , p.
i follow ben, but i still don't understand why the term IDM has any relevance to jam city?
maybe i'm not articulating myself very well, but with reynolds calling his stuff idm and the guardian writing "file next to aphex twin" i feel that jc is getting wrongly represented.. thats not where he is coming from and... and he does not sound remotely like idm -
plus surely someone like squarepusher is as idm as it gets?
maybe i'm not articulating myself very well, but with reynolds calling his stuff idm and the guardian writing "file next to aphex twin" i feel that jc is getting wrongly represented.. thats not where he is coming from and... and he does not sound remotely like idm -
plus surely someone like squarepusher is as idm as it gets?
UFO over easy
online mahjong
yeah i guess what i'm trying to say is that i don't think it's relevant, but i also don't think reynolds is being malicious in his application of the term