mistersloane
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lol that n all. I shoulda put a *warning* on that video cos the 'HAHA-HEH' bit is really quite terrifying.
An open letter to Simon Reynold on his 'Brit Pop box' critique
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lol that n all. I shoulda put a *warning* on that video cos the 'HAHA-HEH' bit is really quite terrifying.
In regards to "working class rock" in america (well canada, actually) I present here the FOX's current Top 30, which anecdotally, according to the handful of people I know who work in construction or as mechanics, is basically the default work place radio station, along with classic rock. Note the TWO linkin park songs!
Gavin
booty bass intellectual
That's more diverse than U.S. playlists I think.... Isn't there a law about the percentage of Candian artists you have to have? Lots of postgrunge in there -- Silverchair?!
There's been a black audience for blue eyed soul for a long time. I don't see why blacks would automatically be more provincial in their tastes. When I worked at a liquor store on Chicago's South Side (only white employee, about 75% black clientele), I remember lots of people talking about the Grammies and praising Evanescense! Coldplay had crossover success as well. You break down a lot of barriers with maudlin ballads.
Everyone knew Phil Collins was white, it was Rick Astley that tricked everyone! -- another liquor store anecdote. Bone Thugs recently sampled "Take Me On" and had Phil in the video!
There's been a black audience for blue eyed soul for a long time. I don't see why blacks would automatically be more provincial in their tastes. When I worked at a liquor store on Chicago's South Side (only white employee, about 75% black clientele), I remember lots of people talking about the Grammies and praising Evanescense! Coldplay had crossover success as well. You break down a lot of barriers with maudlin ballads.
Everyone knew Phil Collins was white, it was Rick Astley that tricked everyone! -- another liquor store anecdote. Bone Thugs recently sampled "Take Me On" and had Phil in the video!
Yeah cancon specifies 35% canadian content on radio stations. But the canadian stuff on that station doesn't really sound all that different. for instance, and I hate to bring it up, but vancouver is the city that brought you nickleback
really, that station is absolutely horrendous. i'd rather listen to the 24-hour traffic channel.
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Well, yeah, if by blue-eyed soul you mean Hall & Oates... but you really know black people who like Coldplay? Maybe it's not an east coast thing, I don't know.
You're right about the top 40 being pretty universally heard and acknowledged across race-barriers, though I guess I would stop short of saying that black people "really like" Coldplay and Radiohead, though.
Rick Astley is amazing of course.
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
Gavin
booty bass intellectual
Don't be a jackass, it's a discussion of recent pop historiography, interesting to anyone on this forum.
Yes you're absolutely right, that's his standard m.o. and has been for a very long time (flat rate, no points, etc) but I don't think that it was quite as simple as that in all cases (e.g. Bush), and I have some difficulty believing that he has always recorded everyone who asked him. At the time of the Bush record the decision was controversial and he said that he had found it a weird request, made some self-deprecating comments as to why would Bush want him to begin with? etc etc; and according to him, he didn't agree to it until he sat down personally with Rossdale to discuss the idea and came away convinced that Rossdale was serious about the endeavor and added that he liked Rossdale personally.
I mean, who knows and I'm not in the business of reading people's minds, I'm just adding this b/c the standard accounts are often too cliched and hide more intersting details ... anyway, I don't personally believe that it was as simple as 'oh sure I'll record Bush, because they've just signed up for studio time,' especially during that period, when he was quite the sought-after commodity, and given some bad experiences he'd had with other uh quite well-known record companies just a couple of years prior.
Perhaps i'm misremembering it but I definitely had the impression at the time that he agreed to record Bush in part because it would annoy putative purists ... but you are right that he has always worked for a flat rate (a fair one at that) and as a result, thankfully (imho), there have been hundreds of bands recorded by him, many of which won't be familiar to an international audience, but recordings which were really important documents for people in various local scenes throughout the nineties, especially in the midwest. Perhaps I'm just projecting my own subjective fantasy on to the matter (and will be happy to have my errors pointed out), but I did have a pretty good seat for a lot of that history at the time ... anyway, my post is sort of silly now b/c it's all just hearsay, half-remembered interviews, and personal impressions, which are basically worthless...just adding this for the sake of discussion....
I was curious about this question, wasn't sure if you were asking for a real comparison or if you were suggesting that the US guitar+drum bands at the time were sub-par?
You also mentioned drummers: what's your view, Buick (or anyone else), on the state of the art of guitar+drum ensemble percussion in DC, Chicago, Louisville, San Diego, St. Louis in the underground scene, say, in the early 90s?
Simon Reynolds said somewhere on Dissensus a long while ago (iirc) that he always considered one difference between UK punk and US hardcore to be the superiority of the US style: "shit hot" was his word for the US hardcore drumming*, if I recall correctly, and in that he was absolutely spot on, it's a key point in my opinion for really understanding the period, especially the strands that run from US hardcore(s) down through all of the various varieties, be they the direct flow from Louisville (Squirrel Bait, Bastro, Slint) into the glory days of Chicago/Touch & Go circa '89-95 or thereabouts, or others (Texas, Detroit, San Diego, St. Louis, So Co,etc etc).
*And no (anticipating swears' objections), I don't mean 'drumming' in terms of post-Peart chops/wank-ass record store metal indulgent showoff bullshit , I mean in terms of groove and twisted beat construction delivered with personality and in-your-face-fucked-up-ness. As in early John McEntire, Mac McNeilly, Rey Washem, Kevin Coultas, Doug Scharin, Mark Trombino, Adam Wade, Blake Fleming, John Stanier, that kind of thing.
subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
not really
the point of UK punk was that you didn't need to be able to drum or play or whatever
you just got up and did it right now no matter how crap it was
Ah yes very good point! - my own myopia showing through there, i.e., neglecting the importance of the original performative gesture, the break with tradition ...not really
the point of UK punk was that you didn't need to be able to drum or play or whatever
you just got up and did it right now no matter how crap it was
not really as
it wasn't 'said' (typed) in that way but it's hard to get tone over keys so...I'll just breathe
I disagree in parts
a lot of mainstream bands stadia bands take influence from U2 (how can you not?) but doesn't make you a dilution. echo and bunnyman - yes on 'arobtth' though
the bends - arty? also you skipped the ok computer period which was surely more arty then 'the bends'
and it's a post shoegaze influence not shoegaze as being active shoegazers lol. don't think that can be denied really
don't know bout Black people but I'm an African person and I know other Africans who listen to Coldplay...and Radiohead...and Norah Jones (she's got a dreamy voice)...no Nickleback and other waste bands though
look man go to the Caribbean (even here in the UK) and just see how many olders have Country music in their collection that they blast on the regs...or watch Westerns. especially at family functions lol
so cos she was African she was supposed to know about Grime lol? that's kinda small minded of you dontcha think?
I just wanna know...I've always wanted to know actually...not starting anything (AND I MEAN THAT!)...am I able to take poke a little fun at white people's foibles (bad spelling) on here without getting banned?
big up tate on some of these posts
it wasn't 'said' (typed) in that way but it's hard to get tone over keys so...I'll just breathe
I disagree in parts
a lot of mainstream bands stadia bands take influence from U2 (how can you not?) but doesn't make you a dilution. echo and bunnyman - yes on 'arobtth' though
the bends - arty? also you skipped the ok computer period which was surely more arty then 'the bends'
and it's a post shoegaze influence not shoegaze as being active shoegazers lol. don't think that can be denied really
don't know bout Black people but I'm an African person and I know other Africans who listen to Coldplay...and Radiohead...and Norah Jones (she's got a dreamy voice)...no Nickleback and other waste bands though
look man go to the Caribbean (even here in the UK) and just see how many olders have Country music in their collection that they blast on the regs...or watch Westerns. especially at family functions lol
so cos she was African she was supposed to know about Grime lol? that's kinda small minded of you dontcha think?
I just wanna know...I've always wanted to know actually...not starting anything (AND I MEAN THAT!)...am I able to take poke a little fun at white people's foibles (bad spelling) on here without getting banned?
big up tate on some of these posts
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crackerjack
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OK, I should probably have put a wink in to make it clearer.
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
I've always tried to and they haven't banned me yet...
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
i'm a mixed race kid so i always figure i can say what i want about anyone lol. i just try and make things funny.
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OK, taking influence from U2 doesn't necessarily make you diluted... but I just think they are a diluted wishy-washy version of U2, see also Chris's Bono-bo-ing around the place on stage and off... The Bends - arty as in more serious, po-faced, pious, than their previous grunge-lite? Of course the OK Computer era was artier again, but more informed by IDM by then? Anyway I've managed to not hear a lot of that stuff so I may be wrong
The debate has been going on for the past century at least - Charlie Parker and Miles Davis looking to "white" music for inspiration (read recently about Parker playing along with a Stravinsky record down the phone to someone, transcribing the horn parts live as he went!!), white musicians, fans and journo hipsters getting in on the cooler (African-American term) "black" music. But blues -> jazz -> r'n'b was never just "black" music - it was a result of the de-territorialising of African chants from native to slave conditions in the US PLUS the influence of Christian church music, Irish/Scots folk tunes, Eastern European brass instruments and influences... mulatto music, which isn't to deny or play down the importance of its African base.
shoegazers" lol (and not starting anything with the Tactics title... tactics
)OK, taking influence from U2 doesn't necessarily make you diluted... but I just think they are a diluted wishy-washy version of U2, see also Chris's Bono-bo-ing around the place on stage and off... The Bends - arty as in more serious, po-faced, pious, than their previous grunge-lite? Of course the OK Computer era was artier again, but more informed by IDM by then? Anyway I've managed to not hear a lot of that stuff so I may be wrong
There must be some African-origin ppl somewhere who like Nickelback!?don't know bout Black people but I'm an African person and I know other Africans who listen to Coldplay...and Radiohead...and Norah Jones (she's got a dreamy voice)...no Nickleback and other waste bands though
foibles (correct spelling) - go for it!
The debate has been going on for the past century at least - Charlie Parker and Miles Davis looking to "white" music for inspiration (read recently about Parker playing along with a Stravinsky record down the phone to someone, transcribing the horn parts live as he went!!), white musicians, fans and journo hipsters getting in on the cooler (African-American term) "black" music. But blues -> jazz -> r'n'b was never just "black" music - it was a result of the de-territorialising of African chants from native to slave conditions in the US PLUS the influence of Christian church music, Irish/Scots folk tunes, Eastern European brass instruments and influences... mulatto music, which isn't to deny or play down the importance of its African base.
crackerjack
Well-known member
Nah, that's not fair. I think you should be restricted to saying stuff about other mixed race kids
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
Nah, that's not fair. I think you should be restricted to saying stuff about other mixed race kids
that'd spoil ALL my fun!!
