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You can't be a 'pass the yarmulke' Israel lover and a Hamas terrorism rabble-rouser at the same time. Pick a side and stick to it.
Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...
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This attitude is precisely the problem. You want to convict me of hating Jews just because, unlike you, I consider Palestinians to be human beings.
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the mad thing is that I've met @mixed_biscuits irl and he's a very nice man. i don't understand why he logs onto dissensus every day around four and besmirches his reputation. i don't understand either why anyone engages with him. you're on the point of making the forum unusable @mixed_biscuits
mixed_biscuits
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How?! I'm just a drop in the ocean. A crumb in the cake tray. A third thing I can't think of.
mixed_biscuits
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Tea's right: Palestinian welfare and Zionism are not mutually exclusive; in fact, Palestinian welfare depends on Zionism. as a Palestine which does not respect its neighbour will not be given its own front door keys.
With this in view there needs to be a Palestinian Zionist movement to become aligned with international expectations of conduct. I don't trust Hamas to lead this Zionist movement so I expect it to be a grassroots phenomenon.
With this in view there needs to be a Palestinian Zionist movement to become aligned with international expectations of conduct. I don't trust Hamas to lead this Zionist movement so I expect it to be a grassroots phenomenon.
don't be a fatuous liberal. Whether he is a nice chap is irrelevant, his conduct on here has simply been that of an unscrupulous pervert who has spent too much time cohabiting in an augean donkey stable
Mr. Tea
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I had no idea Biccies was a SNat.
www.theguardian.com
SNP expels MSP over ‘utterly abhorrent’ comments on Israel-Hamas conflict
John Mason posted ‘if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they would have killed 10 times as many’
www.theguardian.com
Or just a cunt, putting it frankly.
well no, it's a kind of pornographic Sadeian libertinism of banality. A cunt can at least be hated.
His whole tedious shtick revolves around the notion that he's a misunderstood intellectual genius (only on these forums, take note!) and that elsewhere what he says is so nondescript as to be common sense. So, just like a certain antisemitic neofolk ideologue from the 80s, or an antisemitic french philosopher of the 1840s, drumming to the beat of commodity fetishism. On the same road as always!
mixed_biscuits
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- that's the quality of reasoning that did for him.
mixed_biscuits
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Look at the little minions scurrying about: the thumbwits.
mixed_biscuits
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This guy sounds a lot more reasonable than those who've called him abhorrent without giving a proper reason why he's wrong.
If his critics are correct about Israel then Russia is also committing genocide, but nobody says that.
mixed_biscuits
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The big problem with people claiming Israeli genocide is that they don't provide criteria for the definition. I think to qualify genocide should be indiscriminate killing of an ethnic group aiming at maximising deaths per unit time. This clearly applies to Hamas actions and ambitions on 10/7 but does not apply Israel's attacks in general, beyond the inherent indiscriminateness of some of the means of attack. There is certainly no sense that they are maximising deaths per time, and the great humanitarian camps which they arranged show that they are discriminating.
I look forward Dannyl's and Mr Tea's well-reasoned and polite objections.
I look forward Dannyl's and Mr Tea's well-reasoned and polite objections.
mixed_biscuits
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There are literally surveys you can look up on people's opinions on all manner of events to show you that my views are generally quite middle-of-the-road for people in the UK. The joy of dissensus is interacting people with extreme views whom one doesn't find so easily in real life...I mean you'll get the odd one but not helpfully collected together like here. Not that everyone's like that, maybe a third of the site, but they are very sure of themselves despite that.
Mr. Tea
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Mr. Tea
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You're the only person who thinks that. The parameters of genocide are well defined, and your own idiosyncratic definition is totally irrelevant. The aims of Israel are to wipe out the Palestinian people according to the rhetoric of the Israeli leadership itself, although you seem to think that's just playful banter and shouldn't be taken seriously.
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What are these parameters? What are your criteria, or what are the stated criteria that you're following?
Even given fulfilment of my criteria there are yet further gradations: the Hungarian Nazis were more sadistic in their wholesale killing than the Germans were, for instance.
Your claims about Israeli rhetoric have been discredited already.
Mr. Tea
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Unlike you, I don't presume to have confected my own personal definition of genocide. I think the definition resulting from the Genocide Convention of 1948 does a pretty good job:
"acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"
Mr. Tea
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No, they have been denied by you, and other pro-genocide people like you, which is not the same thing as being debunked.
BTW, by your own personal definition of "genocide", even the Holocaust wasn't a genocide if a single extermination camp commander, on a single occasion, decided to knock off early on a Friday afternoon and therefore didn't kill quite as many Jews as he might have done.