UFO over easy
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is that it? just trying to figure out how you can slag off dilla and praise the ummah in the same sentence
The sacred cows
ummah wasnt exactly amazing either (prob cos a lot of it was actually just dilla in the early days, still finding his feet - those pharcyde beats he did arent much to write home about). still, dillas work on the last tribe album (with tip and ali, admittedly - sometimes i think dilla was best working with someone else, see tip's amplified too, esp tribe, as they had a better idea of how to engineer and 'finish' a record than dilla seemed to) is well underrated.
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that makes more sense
grizzleb
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Haha!
No, the music you like makes you a shit person. I've already explained that whilst much oif his music could be called 'bland'. I wouldn't say that's a bad thing ( I see it in terms of functionalism/mass appeal).
Anyway, I just think he's a great hip-hop producer. And there's very few beat tapes that work as well as Donuts does as an album.
Yes, there's loads of comparable underappreciated producers, and death does bring on mythologising, I'd agree. But whatever, I enjoy his music, and see it as remarkably consistent (despite aformentioned "blandness").
so wrong. 2nd album was pretty dull tbh, barring a small baby-sized handful of songs. beats were totally lacking in flavour or interesting sounds. like boom bap made using one of those early hip hop production plug ins. they fell off when they lost j swift imo. like slum village after they lost dilla ironically.
didnt read lukas post til just now - but yeah, hes spot on about dilla beats often being inert, plodding, and also just using a lot of really flat drum sounds that were like damp cardboard. and he was def a major part of several previously good artists' decline. though to be fair, commons decline really started when he hooked up with the roots. hmm, the roots and dilla = instant downfall. common made resurrection, then hooked up with the roots and he picks a load of really dull, solid but flat beats (one day itll all make sense) then makes a super-soft album with the roots AND dilla (LWFC) that only has about 6 songs worth keeping. somehow tribe managed to get back on track after BRL. im guessing they made sure dilla didnt do anything all by himself on that one.
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crackerjack
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very true
So, so wrong. LWFC is his best album and One Day only had one Roots-related track that I can see, the rest is all No ID (who also made Resurrection).
that's so impolite i feel embarrased for your parents.
i personally disagree with you, the first albums pretty fun but the second album for me, lyrically and in terms of beats is great, you know running away, she said, drop, are better than yo mama etc, which sound a bit childish, maybe i have better memories of that second album too. driving around in the sun with my girlfriend at the time for the whole of the summer. The third album however is just dreadful.
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luka
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what the second album has going for it is running away and the sublime moments in time which is the best thing they ever did and the most moving song in hip-hop (possibly) otherwise its so dull its unlistenable....
like water for chocolate i think is a mess, i think one day is better than that.
like water for chocolate i think is a mess, i think one day is better than that.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
LWFC made me think I hated Common for a while. Until I retrospectively heard H.E.R. and realilsed it was one of the best singles ever made. Now I like him.
if you think thats impolite, you clearly havent visited many other message boards. i dont really take kindly to people saying they 'feel sorry for my parents' but for your delicate sensibilities, i shall rephrase. i respectfully disagree my dear mms. i personally believe the first pharcyde album is far superior, mostly due to its more colourful production but also, just because the mcing is just so much more animated. the 2nd one has she said, which i quite like, runnin, and drop (theres a beatminerz remix thats worth a listen and better than the original imo) but overall it just felt like the fire had gone and they were trying to sound more 'mature' and basically shake off the humour of the debut. there is humour on bizare ryde but theres also tracks like otha fish, passin me by, and a few others i cant quite remember now which show they could do way more than just play the dozens (ya mama). basically, imo, when it comes to 'serious' hip hop 2nd albums, de la soul is dead, low end theory, black bastards, etc, are all more succesful than labcabin.
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baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Cows are sacred cows. Well overrated.
grizzleb
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Yeah man I prefer the meat of a two-headed blind shrew.