The sacred cows
Leo
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fine, but then just post a new comment. when you edit or delete past posts, it makes people on the other side of the discussion look like they've ignored the new bits or reacting to something that doesn't exist.
I like how you're conveniently ignoring the fact that you were obsessed with calling me a nihilist with no care for suffering when I exposed your racist attachment to the labour party and white guilt anti-war marches. Because that's what it is, pseudo-actionism conveniently snuggled into a box of pseudo-reality. Whether you were a naive teenager is irrelevant here, it's about a realistic assessment. You overegged your subjectivity for a boilerplate anti-tory starmer is still better than them! without even thinking that my arguments justify historical investigation. If you don't want people to throw bigotry your way then simply don't engage in infantalising bigotry yourself. Yeah I was homophobic towards you, so what. I'm not always going to play the better man when some randomer does everything to negate my outlook on the world. You also aren't in solidarity with people like me, much as you would kid yourself, ('but I'm antagonistic to heteronormative society') as if! so it's hardly as if you can be accused of being immaculate here.
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Im willing to apologise to the forum for calling boxed a 'faggot' but that necessitates that he acknowledge that he was engaging in racialised thinking by discounting my political perspectives because they didn't fit into the framework of the 'good coloured' persons.
That's all I ask. Mutual reciprocity. Cos I'm getting tired of this near stalkerish obsession.
That's all I ask. Mutual reciprocity. Cos I'm getting tired of this near stalkerish obsession.
He won't mute me, despite the fact I've muted him for a long while. That's the point. He's been dropping weird references into threads when I haven't even engaged with him.
Leo
Well-known member
to beat a dead horse, I was remarking on your editing and deleting posts here, a little earlier.
ok, no more from me on this topic. I didn't mean to stir the pot.
I saw the tweet at the time, a clear link was made beyond mere insinuation and I should have screenshotted it at the time.
there's threads that don't make sense as they are, without attempting to mute those non-sequitur diversions and personal hobbyhorses.
everything about this pseudo-racism I've alleged to have taken part in (by saying, what, I think Labour are the weak best of a truly bad bunch? by going on an antiwar march in my teens without having the sophisticated nuance of deep political thought and real lived-in experience?). It's not the same as sustained pointed trolling or directly telling someone they're "a faggot with no dick" - that's not someone missing an understanding of historic imperialism and its consequences (which is exactly where I'm at fault), that's just direct unpleasantness.
anyway I don't think this worth wasting any more of my own mental energy on, I think I'll just fuck off back to ILM, they might not have 2-step tunes or politically horizon-expanding debates, but it was never as unpleasant.
there's threads that don't make sense as they are, without attempting to mute those non-sequitur diversions and personal hobbyhorses.
everything about this pseudo-racism I've alleged to have taken part in (by saying, what, I think Labour are the weak best of a truly bad bunch? by going on an antiwar march in my teens without having the sophisticated nuance of deep political thought and real lived-in experience?). It's not the same as sustained pointed trolling or directly telling someone they're "a faggot with no dick" - that's not someone missing an understanding of historic imperialism and its consequences (which is exactly where I'm at fault), that's just direct unpleasantness.
anyway I don't think this worth wasting any more of my own mental energy on, I think I'll just fuck off back to ILM, they might not have 2-step tunes or politically horizon-expanding debates, but it was never as unpleasant.
Third taking issue with you over the Labour thing struck me as a bit arbitrary as I'm sure others on here have expressed something similar re: them being the lesser of two evils.
I dunno enough about the politics to really parse the arguments, but I had a similar feeling re: the stuff with Xenogothic. I couldn't see a reason for the dispute getting as heated as it did.
I dunno enough about the politics to really parse the arguments, but I had a similar feeling re: the stuff with Xenogothic. I couldn't see a reason for the dispute getting as heated as it did.
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Because it's a dishonest lie.
You need to demonstrate how labour are the lesser of two evils compared to the tories. And liberals can't do that, because they are coloured by their own self-hatred of the tory toffs.
If anyone can convincingly demonstrate that labour can genuinely act as outsiders to the status quo, then I'll recant my views on the lesser evil dichotomy being entirely false. But telling me that the left of the party doesn't have the power to confront the right is a cop out of the highest order. They decide still to remain affiliated to it, they don't split and cause it problems, all they ever do is act as a loyal opposition. Corbyn was an anti-war backbencher! So what? He should have left the bloody thing when they invaded Iraq. That's how you exercise political pressure.
If anyone can convincingly demonstrate that labour can genuinely act as outsiders to the status quo, then I'll recant my views on the lesser evil dichotomy being entirely false. But telling me that the left of the party doesn't have the power to confront the right is a cop out of the highest order. They decide still to remain affiliated to it, they don't split and cause it problems, all they ever do is act as a loyal opposition. Corbyn was an anti-war backbencher! So what? He should have left the bloody thing when they invaded Iraq. That's how you exercise political pressure.
There is no such thing as opposition within political parties. This is how Rosa Luxemburg was murdered, after all. She could only be a real opposition when she broke with the SDP and became a genuine threat. Corbyn was not a threat to the ruling classes whatsoever, he was a threat to the salaries of people who make lucrative amounts through being in opposition. Labour actually achieving power would tank all those think tanks, academics, oppositional mps.
It's why the biggest threat for instance to people who write about the injustice of immigration and closed borders is to actually open borders. It always pays better to be in opposition within the gradiants that the parliamentary system self-determines.
It's why the biggest threat for instance to people who write about the injustice of immigration and closed borders is to actually open borders. It always pays better to be in opposition within the gradiants that the parliamentary system self-determines.
Fair enough.
I used to see them as the lesser of two evils, but now I just don't like either party. I think I may have more disdain for Labour atm because I used to expect more of them than I did the Tories.
It's the same when I look across the pond. I've never liked the GOP, but I get much more wound up by the Democrats atm due to suddenly becoming aware of just how cynical and dishonest they can be after having watched the Trump and COVID fallout.
I used to see them as the lesser of two evils, but now I just don't like either party. I think I may have more disdain for Labour atm because I used to expect more of them than I did the Tories.
It's the same when I look across the pond. I've never liked the GOP, but I get much more wound up by the Democrats atm due to suddenly becoming aware of just how cynical and dishonest they can be after having watched the Trump and COVID fallout.
No, and I'm willing to admit that I got cuntish there. But I expect him to acknowledge that he was also treating me like an infantile basket case who had nothing valid to say. I'm not going to act as a foil for anyones civilised absolution. I'm willing to put this all behind and never interact with him ever again, but he was dredging it all up, needlessly.