Mr. Tea
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around christmas 2009 there were loads of posters on the tube advertising a jeremy clarkson book with a slogan/quote saying something like "shakespeare? i'd rather poke my eyes out". My mate defaced one of them so that it said "culture? i'd rather drive a mercedes around pointlessly."
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Darned cockwombles.
Jeremy Clarkson is really at the heart of everything that's wrong with society today.
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I think it's not quite the same, as he was talking about the USA and the descendents of European settlers, whereas many people in modern Mexico are descended partly or wholly from the original native inhabitants. And a lot of their beliefs weren't stamped out but sublimated into a very syncretic kind of Catholicism.
Plus of course it's possible to learn about your ancestors' beliefs from books or the Internet or whatever. I'd guess this is somewhat analogous to far-right groups in Northern Europe calling themselves the "Sons of Odin" or fetishising the Knights Templar.
Plus of course it's possible to learn about your ancestors' beliefs from books or the Internet or whatever. I'd guess this is somewhat analogous to far-right groups in Northern Europe calling themselves the "Sons of Odin" or fetishising the Knights Templar.
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padraig (u.s.)
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100% not surprised it's Tepito, infamously the black market neighborhood and long (like, for centuries) associated with all manner of crime
it's always the example I use when telling people Mexico City isn't a place to fuck around unless you really know what you're doing
strangely it's very close to the zocalo (i.e. the Palacio Nacional etc) and the Zona Rosa (affluent/tourist/gay neighborhood) so it's easy to stumble on unawares
then again, here in Chicago we famously had one of the country's worst housing projects - Cabrini Green - about a mile from the Loop for decades
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
having said that, and acknowledging the staggering level/form of violence, power of the narcos and lack of state control in swathes of the country
it's too easy too to get a Sicario type impression of the country as just a chasm of severed heads etc
Mexico has always existed to some extent that way in the American psyche - lawlessness, violence, poverty - which isn't untrue but is one-dimensional and incomplete
let it never be forgotten that drug violence as presently constituted was kicked off by Calderon (two presidents past) declaring war on the cartels in 2006
largely as a way to drum up support/legitimacy following a very narrow electoral victory over Lopez Obrador (aka AMLO, longtime lefty and current prez)
not that everything was peachy keen before that, but the narcos - to my understanding - kept it among themselves to a much larger degree
and it spiraled totally out of control - both shattered the status quo into an endless churning sea of ever-increasing sea of savagery, and exposed fundamental weaknesses of the Mexican state
it's too easy too to get a Sicario type impression of the country as just a chasm of severed heads etc
Mexico has always existed to some extent that way in the American psyche - lawlessness, violence, poverty - which isn't untrue but is one-dimensional and incomplete
let it never be forgotten that drug violence as presently constituted was kicked off by Calderon (two presidents past) declaring war on the cartels in 2006
largely as a way to drum up support/legitimacy following a very narrow electoral victory over Lopez Obrador (aka AMLO, longtime lefty and current prez)
not that everything was peachy keen before that, but the narcos - to my understanding - kept it among themselves to a much larger degree
and it spiraled totally out of control - both shattered the status quo into an endless churning sea of ever-increasing sea of savagery, and exposed fundamental weaknesses of the Mexican state
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
having said that
that shit with Chapo's son was fucking wild
narcos shooting down helicopters and shooting up cop/military columns isn't new, but taking over a whole city - not a tiny town up in the hills - like that is
that shit with Chapo's son was fucking wild
narcos shooting down helicopters and shooting up cop/military columns isn't new, but taking over a whole city - not a tiny town up in the hills - like that is
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
sidenote on the Spengler/land/heritage side
there are Mexican Nazis or similar. it's wild. I never ran into any but a Mexican antifa type skin explained it to me once.
it's been many years but iirc the types
1) regular white (i.e. claiming only "Castilian" heritage) Nazis
2) more interesting - claiming that the mestizo union of European + indigenous is the master race - la raza cosmica of Jose Vasconcelos in place of the Aryan
they are both very fringe to my understanding, but do exist
on a more casual note you can buy Nazi stuff - shirts, copies of Mein Kampf, etc - from street vendors in Mexico City without anyone blinking
tho that has to do with ignorance I think, there being very few Jews in Mexico
there are Mexican Nazis or similar. it's wild. I never ran into any but a Mexican antifa type skin explained it to me once.
it's been many years but iirc the types
1) regular white (i.e. claiming only "Castilian" heritage) Nazis
2) more interesting - claiming that the mestizo union of European + indigenous is the master race - la raza cosmica of Jose Vasconcelos in place of the Aryan
they are both very fringe to my understanding, but do exist
on a more casual note you can buy Nazi stuff - shirts, copies of Mein Kampf, etc - from street vendors in Mexico City without anyone blinking
tho that has to do with ignorance I think, there being very few Jews in Mexico
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
both, depending on context, tho in this case probably just the former, given the occult overtones and that it wasn't publicly displayed
in general there's almost definitely an element of genuine belief in narco folk Catholicism, Santa Muerte etc
luke is pretty on the money as to the psychology of it, I think
reminds me of a line in a William Gibson book in re voodoo (paraphrasing) "you know this works man, it's street religion: you go to the gods who get job done"