What is Deleuze?

[catalog]

Or just laugh at you cos you don't understand it

 

[version]

They say everything is production then say the body without organs is anti-production but also produces itself...

 

[john eden]

"Her skin was as smooth as a body without organs," he sighed. Brad could feel his own organ expanding rhizomatically, taking its own line of flight., to... romance?

 

[version]

I'm surprised at how much they lean on Miller and Beckett.

 

[linebaugh]

I will. I read Foucault's preface, the intro then reread the preface and I'm now up to 'The subject and enjoyment'.

They really throw you in at the deep end. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of explanation as to what a body without organs actually is, just lots of descriptions of it being smooth etc.

whats confusing is that all the terms shift depending on the angle you look. the bwo in one system may not be the bwo in another system.

Ive heard it described that the workers, as a group in the abstract, are the bwo of the factory- the undefined conglomeration of work power before it begins producing as individualized roles. Ive also thought of it as the hypothetical ur-shape of a fractal pattern in that its impossible to isolate said shape from the fractal pattern due to its where-does-it-end/begin nature but its this hypothetical shape that the pattern is producing 'on top of'

but really getting hung up on terms isnt advised because they largely abandon them for different but basically the same terms in following sections. its like the book produces word clouds that capture a general vibe/phenomenon in lieu of definitions.

 

[version]

It's difficult to look past the terms when they use them over and over and title sections after them.

 

[linebaugh]

if you get the general vibe and have a working definition your probably fine is what I meant

 

[version]

I'm still scrabbling around for working definitions, but I'm sure they'll materialise.

 

[craner]

I'm surprised at how much they lean on Miller and Beckett.

They loved Anglo-American literature in contrast to French literature which they regarded as closeted and clerical.

 

[version]

They're two Anglo-American writers very much entwined with France though.

 

[linebaugh]

They loved Anglo-American literature in contrast to French literature which they regarded as closeted and clerical.

Love French cinema though, including dissensus enemy godard

 

[luka]

its way too hard for you version. i wouldnt bother if i were you.

 

[luka]

philosophy is like mathematics, its not something we normal people can ever comprehend.

 

[catalog]

They say everything is production then say the body without organs is anti-production but also produces itself...

So it's trying to not be productive but cannot but be productive, cos everything is production?

As in, any action is production. Even if that action wants to not produce?

 

[linebaugh]

So it's trying to not be productive but cannot but be productive, cos everything is production?

As in, any action is production. Even if that action wants to not produce?

It's not that it doesnt ' want' to produce rather it's this abstract ideal that cant ever be reached or do any production of its own. Like the workforce isnt a thing itself but a collection of carpenters, accountants, managers and etc.

 

[version]

its way too hard for you version. i wouldnt bother if i were you.

Don't encourage me.

 

[catalog]

And is that workforce in totality the bwo?

 

[linebaugh]

And is that workforce in totality the bwo?

Yes, in this example

 

[luka]

when i first met craner he was about 16 and he airily told me 'oh Ive already been through my Deleuze phase'

 

[linebaugh]

What phase is he in now?