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don_quixote

Trent End
although i'll temper that by saying it'll probably differ from place to place.

what subject are you applying for? i'm sure you've mentioned this before and im assuming it's english for some reason.
 

jenks

thread death
Good luck Oliver.

Don't worry about the hair, though I would suggest wearing a suit/shirt+tie combo.

I am sure PGCE interviews have changed a great deal from when i was thrown in a room with a complete stranger who was also applying and told we had 30 mins to prepare a dramatic presentation of a poem. Went ok, we both got offered a place on a course that only took 16 people - St Luke's at Exeter Uni.

My guess is that they want someone who can communicate well, has an interest in the subject and an interest in kids and can cope with the pressure. The big thing now is Learning as much as Teaching - in other words making the kids far more active in their approaches, not so much what you do in the front of the class but how you get them to do the doing.

I'd have alook at the Every Child Matters website, also the DFES standards site just to give yourself an idea of where the wind is blowing regarding educational ideas.

any other qs, please PM me and i'll do my best. Shame that it is the hols or I could have got one of my dept to tell me what her PGCE interview was like as she is still an NQT.

Just be yourself!
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
To follow what Jenks said, one idea that was important in my PGCE was "Learning outcomes" - which is not what the kids will know at the end of the lesson, but what they will be able to DO as a consequence ie. rather than know about the works of George Orwell, they will be able to discuss and critque them. These end up in any OFSTED approved lesson plan and can be linked with clear assessment targets.

Differentiation was also a big one a couple of years ago - which means how will you plan your lesson to cope with a range of different skills and abilities. You might have an extension task for brighter kids for instance, getting them started on homework early for instance or a plan for putting together groups of mixed ability.

TBH, even if you're not clear on these concepts, just the fact that you've tried to engage with them a little before your interview should do you a few favours.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
This is all helpful, chaps - thank you.

Jenks - what texts are you teaching your kids at the moment?

And what's with this argument about "literacy" and how it's destroyed literature as a school subject?
 

mixed_biscuits

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My interview involved:

- brief writing task ('should numeracy and literacy be of primary importance in the curriculum?')
- group task: creating a short presentation
- 20 minute 1-to-1 interview (tho' mine ended up being an hour long - cut short only by the lecturer having to get some lunch)

Most important things possibly are to convince them that you have social skills and that you are keen to teach for the right reasons (not because you can't think of anything else to do with your life, for instance).

There is some material at large on-line in which education departments detail the rationale behind their selection process (I think I found some juicy tidbits in an OFSTED inspection report of my PGCE provider).

I am an NUT member (and have some issues with their current anti-SATs push (thread derailment attempt))
 
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jenks

thread death
I'm NUT

teaching Donne/HenryV for Y10 coursework.

teaching Journey's End/1WW Poetry/Old Man and the Sea for Y11 examination

teaching John Clare/ Victorian Lit for AS Lit

will all depend upon exam board really though.

As for Literacy - essentially, we're talking about a move away from teaching English via Literature texts and instead looking at the whole range of writing/ reading we do - so lots more media texts, writing for a variety of purposes/audiences. Understanding how we make meaning through shaping texts.

They just aren't expected to read the quantity we read and, if i am honest, in the lower school, quite often the quality. Although, as with all things, there is a move away from this as can be seen by the glee teachers feel about the loss of SATs at KS3.
 

don_quixote

Trent End
we had some woman from an academy come in and talk to us. it was sickening. she was talking about chucking people out the school for smoking. and it really, really annoys me when you get people from education in and all they fucking go on about is school uniform.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Had it last Friday. It was really tough. It made me sweat. Took me from the blindside, really, because I arrived mentally prepared and looking the business with my new Burberry tie.

They had me marked with the very first question, a question I fully expected and had prepared for, but nevertheless made my heart sink as it came to me: "so, Oliver, tell us what you do in your current job and how that would relate to teaching a class." To which my only honest and sane response could be, "well I do this and I do that, but it has absolutely nothing to do with teaching a class full of kids. But I would very much like you to teach me how to do it, please." But I couldn't say this, obviously, that's not the game, that's breaking the rules. I'm sorry, Jenks, but being myself isn't really an option in these situations.

So there I was: "yadda yadda blather blather". The interview was alright, though: I can actually be a good talker when necessary. Usually hitting a peak of eloquence half way through a second bottle of Rioja, granted, but I can be stirred sober, too. It was the other things we had to do that sunk me.

For example, after an introductory chat, and then a simple group exercise, we were handed a poem and told to pick out one thing to teach a Year 10 mixed ability class and devise an activity to help them "explore the issues and themes". The poem I got was worthless, which didn't help, and I was the first to be interviewed, so had a mere 20 minutes to do all this. Analysing the poem and working out what to teach from it wasn't a problem, but thinking up an "activity" with "resources" was quite clearly beyond my capacities.

I can't even tell you what my eventual solution was because I'm very ashamed of it. Consequently, when I had to present this at the end of the interview, the whole thing fell apart from the very first word. I went from speaking in long and elegant and nearly whole sentences to chaotically ejecting random words and clauses. I gave the impression, I think, that any classroom I taught would end up in anarchy. As I headed deeper in, finally getting around to "explaining" my risible and possibly insulting class "activity", I felt sure that catastrophe was behind me, and only oblivion lay ahead.

Eventually I stopped, and one of the interviewers asked: "and would the pupils, say, bring in objects from home to illustrate these past memories of which you speak?"

As you can see, he was being kind. Possibly trying to help. And my brilliant response? "Um, no, I don't think so. I think they'd be fine talking amongst themselves, actually. In, uh, groups of, uh...three." Long silence. Interviewer staring at me, askance.

Jesus Christ, Craner! Dig yourself out of this crater! You've still got to write a three page essay on literacy initiatives in secondary schools off the top of your head! Focus!

After our interviews we all had to write a three page essay on literacy initiatives in secondary schools off the top of our heads, for which we were given 40 minutes. Now, you know, I listened to you guys, and did some preparation - I looked at some books, read some newspaper articles, flicked through the NUT rags my mother keeps sending me (they are pretty embarrassing, by the way). I didn't just turn up all cocky-like, expecting to swan through with my wonderful academic qualifications and glowing professional reference and Byronic good looks. I knew it would harder than people were telling me ("they're desperate for teachers Craner! Chill."). But I could only legitimately write one side of A4 on literacy initiatives in secondary schools, which I duly did. This left me with two blank sides of A4, which needed to be filled. So I carried on. By page 3 I was entering the same disaster zone as my "class activity" debacle. I'd shot through waffle into self-parody and was approaching panic. I was getting that now familiar sea sick sensation: simultaneous motion and paralysis. It was a bit like that moment in The Perfect Storm when George Clooney and Marky Mark see the final 100ft wave rearing up in front of their boat, and they know, after all they've been though, that they're finally doomed.

My handwriting, also, was falling apart. This was possibly the most shameful thing of all. I've never had neat handwriting, I admit, but I used to have that elegant, if large and spidery, art student-style handwriting. You know the style, it's half affected, half unavoidable. But in ten years of writing nothing more than scribbled notes to myself or cards to friends and relatives, my handwriting had devolved to a horrid, blocky, childish scrawl. And, what's worse, I couldn't do anything about it. I concentrated, I sweated, trying to make my writing neater, even legible, but it didn't work. It still looked terrible.

It was a complete bloody calamity. And I know exactly why, apart from the handwriting: it was down to zero classroom experience. The other two candidates on that day were much younger than me, and not perceptibly brighter or more articulate, and both lacking my super new tie, but they had spent some time in classrooms assisting teachers and doing tuition. That gave them a lot more ammunition than I had.

I expect to get a rejection letter next week (at least, I think they would be mad to offer me place). The problem is it rathers screws up my GTTR application cycle, and I'll probably be flushed through clearing, and that will not be fun, and possibly terminal.

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luka

Well-known member
hahahhaha thats fantastic.... its the best thing you've written in years!
they'll let any idiot be a teacher you've nothing to worry about.
 

jenks

thread death
Whilst you have made it sound somewhat disastrous I would like to feel that the interview panel will look beyond the fluster to your actual abilities.

Good luck!
 

Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
When I was in school, I once had a teacher whose lesson plan consisted of making us watch the movie Titanic over and over and over again. One day we watched JFK. Some days she would lie down on the floor. Other days she wouldn't turn up. One of our friends who had his lunch period during that class would come and join in just to confirm that our accounts of this fucking horror show were accurate. He was able to do this as he had convinced her that he was a foreign exchange student from a country that doesn't actually exist.

I would have infinitely preferred your services, Craner.
 
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craner

Beast of Burden
Ha ha! They only went and offered me a place! I'm in shock! And delighted! And, frankly, did I say this? Shocked! I woudln't have.

Anyway, major hurdle No. 1, cleared.

Those mad bastards at UEA.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Why this is amazing and weird, is that when we all turned up, they announced that out of the 25 places on the course, only 5 were left, and they still had interviews stretching for 2 weeks, and were prepared to interview until they met the required standard. Which I really don't think I did, even now.

I have to say, I'm amazed, and I kind of hope the 2 interviewed with me got offers too, as they seemed more qualified.
 

don_quixote

Trent End
well done! the person interviewed with me didn't get a place but hey.

ive had an awful week. year 9 have been kicking off, i had an abortive a-level lesson and a parents evening with year 10 where half a dozen parents said that they werent happy that a student teacher was teaching their kids. argh argh argh /o\
 
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