Where is the avant-garde?

[luka]

i wouldnt say its been coopted cos of the masks but feels like it has a structural role... like how terrorism works in the film Brazil. as a justification of power and some of the measure power enacts

 

[version]

Yeah, it's been adapted to. It's been given a role within the system as opposed to disrupting it.

 

[pattycakes_]

Flirting with El Z. Bub

But culture has definitely swung in that direction now. The satanic imagery used in music video and performance now for eg. So maybe you're right.

 

[luka]

Yeah, it's been adapted to. It's been given a role within the system as opposed to disrupting it.

exactly.

 

[luka]

rappers have stylists these days. it's a fall from grace.

 

[shiels]

We’re at an impasse, a blockage around identity. Self expression and identity and single point perspectives will get boring. That’s my prediction. We see a restlessness in our own accelerating chameleon nature and tastes.

I think a lot of artistic innovation will come through dissolving the boundaries of identity between art and artist and audience, machine and human, self other, individual and group.

 

[luka]

well the world is quite disrupted at the minute. no lack of disruption.

 

[luka]

We’re at an impasse, a blockage around identity. Self expression and identity and single point perspectives will get boring. That’s my prediction. We see a restlessness in our own accelerating chameleon nature and tastes.

I think a lot of artistic innovation will come through dissolving the boundaries of identity between art and artist and audience, machine and human, self other, individual and group.

but i don't think this can happen in a programmatic and self-consciously experimental way. not as an intellectual experiment.

 

[luka]

i think you have to be a real magic man or it doesnt count. thats what i think

 

[shiels]

What’s a real magic man

 

[version]

I think at the moment what's happening is the entire being becomes part of the art or brand, see: Trump, Kanye.

 

[luka]

the art has to do weird stuff to you and quicken you and intitiate you and pull you deeper into the Eternal Mysteries.

 

[mvuent]

there have to have been a few art gallery exhibitions by now about how memes are the new avant garde. i buy it though. a lot of the stuff i like about electracoustic music applies to memes as well. even the sonic adventurousness.

 

[luka]

there have to have been a few art gallery exhibitions by now about how memes are the new avant garde. i buy it though. a lot of the stuff i like about electracoustic music applies to memes as well. even the sonic adventurousness.

well that was how that josef k thread started in a way.

 

[mvuent]

huh? i've forgotten

 

[mvuent]

there have to have been a few art gallery exhibitions by now about how memes are the new avant garde. i buy it though. a lot of the stuff i like about electracoustic music applies to memes as well. even the sonic adventurousness.

btw, obviously i'm not talking about fucking lolcats. more stuff like liminal spaces.

 

[mvuent]

just think it has to do with what shiels was talking about here:

We’re at an impasse, a blockage around identity. Self expression and identity and single point perspectives will get boring. That’s my prediction. We see a restlessness in our own accelerating chameleon nature and tastes.

I think a lot of artistic innovation will come through dissolving the boundaries of identity between art and artist and audience, machine and human, self other, individual and group.

 

[luka]

 

[mvuent]

btw, obviously i'm not talking about fucking lolcats. more stuff like liminal spaces.

 

[linebaugh]

Thats the new gothic

Was this before or after this meme? https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/441/150/c01.jpg

Think memes have shown to be disruptive politically, for both sides