K-Punk

[john eden]

Especially when this boils over into real world stalking.

 

[luka]

padraig was both batshit crazy, psychotically aggressive and incapable of constructing a coherent argument but it is also very dperessing when people wont let you overreach yourself and try and drag you down any time you are having a moment. thats sometimes a problem here, not always

 

[woops]

aside from the mad rage and flaming insults etc HMLT's long image/text posts were actually really good

 

[version]

This was amazing though:

k-punk: SPEAKING OF PRETENTIOUS CRAP

k-punk.abstractdynamics.org

Did they include the stuff like this in the big book? Quite like the idea of people buying it after hearing lots about him then reading pages and pages of petty squabbling.

 

[IdleRich]

padraig was both batshit crazy, psychotically aggressive and incapable of constructing a coherent argument but it is also very dperessing when people wont let you overreach yourself and try and drag you down any time you are having a moment. thats sometimes a problem here, not always

The basic problem here is, if you're a total arsehole all the time, then people are gonna treat you like one.

 

[IdleRich]

Also applies to HMLT.

 

[shiels]

when that's the only reflex people are capable of, and they wield it indiscriminately against anything which challenges them, the resulting dynamic tends to shit complacency, bants above all. But sometimes there is a point in being tactically deflationary, not letting someone get away with being domineeringly up themselves.

it is also very dperessing when people wont let you overreach yourself and try and drag you down any time you are having a moment. thats sometimes a problem here, not always

yes, well you're hitting on something special about this place i think. is it possible to have a forum that works towards some tangible positive outcome (wall street bets?) all the big wins have to happen outside of it, maybe its by nature a place of disappoint, war, banter that throws you off in interesting directions

 

[shiels]

aside from the mad rage and flaming insults etc HMLT's long image/text posts were actually really good

This is very true, a thrill to read. Fascinating psychoanalytic characterisations. Obviously we have the benefit of not being involved

 

[shiels]

a place of disappoint, war, banter

 

[luka]

Rich is right also in that part of playing the forum game properly is accepting that it is a team sport and getting it to work, winning, is about collaboration basically

 

[craner]

Rich is right also in that part of playing the forum game properly is accepting that it is a team sport and getting it to work, winning, is about collaboration basically

Most of the time we want to kill each other, until we are reminded of ILM and then we unite and want to kill them.

 

[luka]

david toops book about free improv isnt that amazing a book but it did feel a lot like dissensus, the process of it

 

[luka]

like some horrible old alcoholic marxist will blow a rasberry into his trumbone the minute he thinks the band are being 'too nice to each other'

 

[luka]

but its done with a sense of the whole and the dynamics of the thing

 

[woops]

like some horrible old alcoholic marxist will blow a rasberry into his trumbone the minute he thinks the band are being 'too nice to each other'

but this is what makes the music so unpleasant to listen to

 

[shiels]

but its done with a sense of the whole and the dynamics of the thing

tell us more about it

 

[poetix]

All online communities have to work this stuff out for themselves. What balance of consonance and dissonance is right for them. Whether to embrace and amplify challenging voices, or play it safe. What to do about the ones who seem to be there purely to initiate and pursue vendettas. How you react when person A says person B is being creepy towards them. How you react when person B says person A is creating drama to try to get them banned. Over time, the homeostasis of the group is reached, and when this occurs its immune defences against anything that might disturb its particular balance are strongly honed. I used to be in a poetry mailing list that used to have vicious flamewars spanning weeks. It is now very quiescent, collegial, chummy; people who used to be at each other's throats are on pleasant terms. Those who couldn't accommodate themselves to this homeostasis have departed, often in high dudgeon. One day twitter, too, will be like this. The flame wars will rage uncontained on some other platform.

 

[version]

I listened to a bit of an interview with a guy called John Cussans who said Mark and Nick Land ended up deifying capitalism because they never logged off and got out of their bubble and just assumed THE world operated the same way as their world.

There's a pretty harsh comment along those lines underneath the vid too,

YES! Nailed it at the end in regards to Fisher. I always got the sense that Fisher (and his ilk) live in a cloistered world - well read, sure, but circular, circumscribed. He mistook his small world for the whole world, generalised from his particular malaise. I like that Cussans centres on the notion of addiction, and it's not surprising that Fisher should have been more or less addicted to his phone, to tech. I get the impression that he was a big kid who never knew how to grow up (his constant references to pop culture, his remixes, etc) - he, like many from his generation (and those following), were just completely lacking in initiatory role models. He didn't know how to be an adult, and didn't want to be. This isn't, of course, to say that his critique of the wider culture is illegitimate.

I always wondered, how much did Fisher know about indigenous cultures, and would a wider view of things have made any difference? Fitting, then, that Cussans has an interest in such cultures.

 

[pattycakes_]

Can't that be applied to most people who grew up in the 80s and beyond though?

 

[version]

They say that in the comment,

like many from his generation (and those following)