Corruption, 'Deep Politics', etc.

[luka]

and you have to bear in mind the petrochemical industry in fact is not a person, there are people who have interests in it, but not tied to it exclusively. the money made from oil goes into all sorts of other interests

 

[luka]

and i do think that it is worth reckoning with the great reset and its declared goals. i think that nutters on the internet are entirely justified in going, who are these people? who do they represent? can they really do this?

 

[luka]

now, a lot of it might be PR, a total load of bollocks, obfuscation or it might not be. and they might reflect the interests of a coalition of powerful actors, or they might be an impotent advisory group.

 

[luka]

but you can see why it piques peoples interest in the same way the project for a new american century piqued peoples interest.

 

[luka]

i have to disappear for a bit but i have said some very intelligent interesting things for you to think carefuly about

 

[Mr. Tea]

i have to disappear for a bit but i have said some very intelligent interesting things for you to think carefuly about

Cleverest bit was when you said "u r fick lol" to @DannyL.

 

[luka]

Cleverest bit was when you said "u r fick lol" to @DannyL.

he annoyed me

 

[luka]

it was a bad, incorrect way to have a conversation

 

[craner]

After 20 pages of clarification you've finally said that powerful people have interests which they pursue.

Well, I agree with that.

 

[Mr. Tea]

After 20 pages of clarification you've finally said that powerful people have interests which they pursue.

Great idea for a book, that. Time to blow the whole rotten case right open and finally take these suckers down!

 

[thirdform]

And we all know this discussion should be taking place in the "Why Conspiracy Theories?" thread!

I feel like a potter who's opened up his workshop for the day and discovered his beautiful pots have been smashed by vandals. I'm kneeling with broken pottery in my hands and tears in my eyes here.

Yes, leave me out of this one lads, please.

 

[luka]

After 20 pages of clarification you've finally said that powerful people have interests which they pursue.

Well, I agree with that.

yes, well that is how the conversation started if you recall. then you said that vdery contention was anti-semitic.

 

[luka]

this is the problem with trying to purify your thought in this way. you commit yourself to absurdities

 

[luka]

and i dont doubt that the oil industry is powerful. the ability to hold the world to ransom makes it powerful. but equally you could 'imagine; a world in which that very power gave rise to opposition and the green agenda would provide cover/ motive for that opposition. consider the money flooding into tesla. or consider what conclusion you might tentatively draw based on this

https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

 

[thirdform]

well this is what we are trying to talk about actually. where power lies, who gets to create reality, who is fighting who etc etc etc

Often the fairly well off middle classes have a tendancy to conspiracism. All bourgeois sociology will try and tell you it's a feeling of a loss of identity, of suspician, of feeling alienated, which is all correct, but then begs the question ... why is it the fairly well educated, the enlightened (if you will/those with heads screwed on) who succumb to this nauseating phenomenon? The illuminati shit is hardly something that the absolutely impoverished bang on about on the internet. I've thrown the gauntlet down for craner.

 

[thirdform]

The foundation text of Deep Politics is Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics and the death of JFK, which is where the term is first posited as a more useful term than "parapolitics" ( which he also coined ):



Lobster magazine used the term "parapolitics" to describe their content, although after the departure of Stephen Dorill some of the articles veered into crank territory - the early issues were good for breaking stories about covert operations in Northern Ireland, the murder of Hilda Murrell, etc

Peter Dale Scott:



I like Peter Dale Scott - Noam Chomsky absolutely loathes him

I don't think this stuff is suppressed in Turkey. It's just outwardly suppressed (in terms of public facing) but people revel in the corruption behind closed doors.

 

[thirdform]

which it is almost certainly is. my way of looking at things is the world is run by pedo satanists. if you keep that in mind you wont go far wrong.

The world isn't run though. It's a frankensteins monster. To say the world is run by pedo satanists is a romantic illusion, it shows you are a tender existential lover at heart, not someone who has opened their third eye.

 

[craner]

Often the fairly well off middle classes have a tendancy to conspiracism. All bourgeois sociology will try and tell you it's a feeling of a loss of identity, of suspician, of feeling alienated, which is all correct, but then begs the question ... why is it the fairly well educated, the enlightened (if you will/those with heads screwed on) who succumb to this nauseating phenomenon? The illuminati shit is hardly something that the absolutely impoverished bang on about on the internet. I've thrown the gauntlet down for craner.

Possibly because human nature is not completely determined by economic categories.

 

[luka]

The world isn't run though. It's a frankensteins monster. To say the world is run by pedo satanists is a romantic illusion, it shows you are a tender existential lover at heart, not someone who has opened their third eye.

no, it means you are a crude and sloppy reader

 

[thirdform]

Possibly because human nature is not completely determined by economic categories.

That is a cop out and you know it Oliver. These are people who were fed the same inputs as yerself.